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> Desperate to make ends meet, Stiegler turned to robbing banks to pay off his debts and feed his family. In 1978, he was arrested for armed robbery and sentenc

> Desperate to make ends meet, Stiegler turned to robbing banks to pay off his debts and feed his family. In 1978, he was arrested for armed robbery and sentenced to five years in prison. I can’t take writers like this seriously. So keen to present a positive portrait of their subject that they excuse reprehensible acts like armed robbery with “uwu he was just twying to feed his famiwy”. Nah, fuck that. He was a leech on society, be honest about that. Oh, and before he was a robber he ran an illegal brothel. Was he doing that to feed his family too? It actually seems like he reformed himself in prison, which is laudable. That’s a better narrative than the one they’ve tried to shoehorn in.

hartator 3y ago
Lol, yes. Specially just before he was accused of running a pleasure house, then in prison, wanted special treatment.
cess11 3y ago
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- nindalf 3y ago
  Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - cess11 3y ago
    Not sure what you're getting at. Are you a moderator?
    - nindalf 3y ago
      I'm getting at the fact that you're not following the rules of this forum. I don't need to be a moderator to point out the obvious. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Your comment was an unkind, snarky, sneering swipe. Do better. If you feel that I'm mistaken and you've contributed something valuable to the community with your previous comment, feel free to ask Daniel at hn@ycombinator.com. If he says your comment is fine, its fine.
      - cess11 3y ago
        I disagree with your assessment. Maybe you could flag the comment instead of derailing the thread?
        Cruncharoo 3y ago
        My assessment is that your comment derailed it.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        Have to agree with cess11. Saying this is is so against guidelines to warrant being flagged is just an ultra pedantic view of the guidelines. Maybe it is just a problem with different peoples use of language. "You seem very protective of banks. Have they been particularly nice to you? "
        dang 3y ago
        It's not pedantic. A comment like "You seem very protective of banks. Have they been particularly nice to you?" crosses the line into both snark and personal attack, which are against the site guidelines. The comment was therefore correctly flagged. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- 8338550bff96 3y ago
  "Hey, maybe don't commit armed robbery and other exploitative acts under the guise of helping your family" equals "banks are my homies"? You don't need a swim-cap to achieve peak cranial hydrodynamic performance, do you?
briHass 3y ago
The law naturally, and rightly, draws a big distinction between simple theft and robbery. If he was shoplifting diapers and food, there might be a case for sympathy, but using a deadly weapon to take by force implies a willingness to murder or maim innocent victims to get what you want. The use of, or threat with the means of, violence against the innocent in anything other than self defense should never be excused in society. I too can't find any value in the writings of someone willing to relax that standard to make a point.
FrustratedMonky 3y ago
"illegal brothel" Maybe some people don't think brothel's should be illegal. That the moral arguments against them are empty Christian virtue signaling? "I can’t take writers like this seriously." So, don't read Socrates? Because he was found guilty by the State. Breaking the law means your thoughts don't matter?
- constantcrying 3y ago
  This is so disingenuous. Sure, the only objection against female exploitation and trafficking is Christian virtue signaling. Should men (pimps) be allowed to police women's bodies for profit? Difficult question, I know. Socrates was convicted for "hate speech", not a robbery. Even making that comparison is stupid.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    You are making just as extreme disingenuous assumptions. I never said what form the legality would take. Making prostitution legal so that there can be adequate regulation and health care is a far cry from saying it would be done by pimps. As if there would be some "pimp congregational sub-committee on prostitute OSHA regulations". Projecting todays standards of "hate speech" onto the ancient world. Really? You think that is what was happening?
    - constantcrying 3y ago
      Prostitution is the one thing where socialists believe in free enterprise and conservatives don't. Quite hilarious to be honest. But no, prostitution won't become better just because it is legalized. The incentives are always towards abusing and trafficking women, making them legal just makes prosecution harder.
      - hackable_sand 3y ago
        Legal sex work means sex workers have legal recourse. They can actually call law enforcement instead of staying the invisible class of victims. This is especially true for minority sex workers.

hartator 3y ago

Lol, yes. Specially just before he was accused of running a pleasure house, then in prison, wanted special treatment.

cess11 3y ago

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nindalf 3y ago
Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- cess11 3y ago
  Not sure what you're getting at. Are you a moderator?
  - nindalf 3y ago
    I'm getting at the fact that you're not following the rules of this forum. I don't need to be a moderator to point out the obvious. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Your comment was an unkind, snarky, sneering swipe. Do better. If you feel that I'm mistaken and you've contributed something valuable to the community with your previous comment, feel free to ask Daniel at hn@ycombinator.com. If he says your comment is fine, its fine.
    - cess11 3y ago
      I disagree with your assessment. Maybe you could flag the comment instead of derailing the thread?
      - Cruncharoo 3y ago
        My assessment is that your comment derailed it.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        Have to agree with cess11. Saying this is is so against guidelines to warrant being flagged is just an ultra pedantic view of the guidelines. Maybe it is just a problem with different peoples use of language. "You seem very protective of banks. Have they been particularly nice to you? "
        dang 3y ago
        It's not pedantic. A comment like "You seem very protective of banks. Have they been particularly nice to you?" crosses the line into both snark and personal attack, which are against the site guidelines. The comment was therefore correctly flagged. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
8338550bff96 3y ago
"Hey, maybe don't commit armed robbery and other exploitative acts under the guise of helping your family" equals "banks are my homies"? You don't need a swim-cap to achieve peak cranial hydrodynamic performance, do you?

briHass 3y ago

The law naturally, and rightly, draws a big distinction between simple theft and robbery. If he was shoplifting diapers and food, there might be a case for sympathy, but using a deadly weapon to take by force implies a willingness to murder or maim innocent victims to get what you want. The use of, or threat with the means of, violence against the innocent in anything other than self defense should never be excused in society. I too can't find any value in the writings of someone willing to relax that standard to make a point.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

"illegal brothel" Maybe some people don't think brothel's should be illegal. That the moral arguments against them are empty Christian virtue signaling? "I can’t take writers like this seriously." So, don't read Socrates? Because he was found guilty by the State. Breaking the law means your thoughts don't matter?

constantcrying 3y ago
This is so disingenuous. Sure, the only objection against female exploitation and trafficking is Christian virtue signaling. Should men (pimps) be allowed to police women's bodies for profit? Difficult question, I know. Socrates was convicted for "hate speech", not a robbery. Even making that comparison is stupid.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  You are making just as extreme disingenuous assumptions. I never said what form the legality would take. Making prostitution legal so that there can be adequate regulation and health care is a far cry from saying it would be done by pimps. As if there would be some "pimp congregational sub-committee on prostitute OSHA regulations". Projecting todays standards of "hate speech" onto the ancient world. Really? You think that is what was happening?
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    Prostitution is the one thing where socialists believe in free enterprise and conservatives don't. Quite hilarious to be honest. But no, prostitution won't become better just because it is legalized. The incentives are always towards abusing and trafficking women, making them legal just makes prosecution harder.
    - hackable_sand 3y ago
      Legal sex work means sex workers have legal recourse. They can actually call law enforcement instead of staying the invisible class of victims. This is especially true for minority sex workers.