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It certainly sounds good on paper, but I feel like this has unintended consequences: Evidence captured with phone cameras is quite literally null and void. Inva

It certainly sounds good on paper, but I feel like this has unintended consequences: Evidence captured with phone cameras is quite literally null and void. Invalid. Phones use a metric ton of AI enhancements to get anywhere near the quality of what dedicated cameras could do 15 years ago. AI to enhance faces. AI to denoise the insufferably noisy phone camera. AI to align and stack multiple pictures to get better low light performance. AI to replace the difficult to capture moon with moon pictures taken by good cameras in your area. AI to align and stack multiple pictures to get better dynamic range. AI to convert higher dynamic range into normal dynamic range. AI to upscale digitally zoomed in pictures to get a consistent resolution. AI to align and stack multiple pictures to get more resolution. This is what your phone does on the fly. Everything your phone captures is AI-enhanced. A small sensor physically can't capture anywhere near the quality of dedicated cameras. So they use software to bridge the gap. Again, AI-enhanced, invalid evidence.

pjturpeau 3y ago
For most of them, this is not AI, these are standard image processing algorithms which are already plugged into the digital processor of a 15 years old camera. They do have predictable and determnist output, as for simple jpeg compression which is no AI.
- brudgers 3y ago
  this is not AI That's what is always said about old AI algorithms because AI is an ideology not a technology.
- MyFedora 2y ago
  > [...], these are standard image processing algorithms which are already plugged into the digital processor of a 15 years old camera. I don't know what to tell you other than this is not the case at all. Computational photography failed miserably in the standalone camera market. Photographers love manual control. Cameras with built-in computational photography features flopped hard, nobody bought them. Standalone camera innovation is therefore limited to make it as easy and reliable as possible to get a good shot. Everything else is done in post processing software, such as Lightroom or Photoshop, never in camera. For the record: My 15 years old Canon EOS 5D Mark II can't do a single thing I listed in my comment aside from basic noise reduction for jpeg images. And that camera was considered revolutionary at the time. But the camera sure as hell makes it easy to capture the shots I need, and post process them on my computer to get exactly what I want.
andersa 3y ago
So why don't you stop and think that maybe phones should not do any of these things? Would you like to be thrown in jail because someone's phone's "ai to enhance faces" made it look like you accidentally?

pjturpeau 3y ago

For most of them, this is not AI, these are standard image processing algorithms which are already plugged into the digital processor of a 15 years old camera. They do have predictable and determnist output, as for simple jpeg compression which is no AI.

brudgers 3y ago
this is not AI That's what is always said about old AI algorithms because AI is an ideology not a technology.
MyFedora 2y ago
> [...], these are standard image processing algorithms which are already plugged into the digital processor of a 15 years old camera. I don't know what to tell you other than this is not the case at all. Computational photography failed miserably in the standalone camera market. Photographers love manual control. Cameras with built-in computational photography features flopped hard, nobody bought them. Standalone camera innovation is therefore limited to make it as easy and reliable as possible to get a good shot. Everything else is done in post processing software, such as Lightroom or Photoshop, never in camera. For the record: My 15 years old Canon EOS 5D Mark II can't do a single thing I listed in my comment aside from basic noise reduction for jpeg images. And that camera was considered revolutionary at the time. But the camera sure as hell makes it easy to capture the shots I need, and post process them on my computer to get exactly what I want.

andersa 3y ago

So why don't you stop and think that maybe phones should not do any of these things? Would you like to be thrown in jail because someone's phone's "ai to enhance faces" made it look like you accidentally?