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If Israel didn't care about international law, all of Gaza would now be a smoking crater and the death toll would be an order of magnitude higher.

mandmandam 3y ago
It seems that you're claiming the only way to violate international law is to bomb all their people at once. This is very wrong. Targeting hospitals without clear proof of military activity is against international law. As is collective punishment, using starvation as a weapon of war, and many other things which are currently being livestreamed to the world. If you understand a topic this poorly, why not read a little about it before 'contributing' to the discussion? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-lawyers-say-israel-is-breaking-international-law-claims-top-tory-in-leaked-recording https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-... When even Tory lawyers are telling their government that they are arming a genocidal state and need to stop immediately or be liable for war crimes...
- sgjohnson 3y ago
  I'm convinced that there's no way to fight a war without pissing someone off. Even more so, it's impossible to fight an _assymetric_ war without pissing a lot of people off. > Targeting hospitals without clear proof of military activity is against international law. What's "clear proof" is in the eye of the beholder. > As is collective punishment, using starvation as a weapon of war I'm actually willing to give Israel the benefit of doubt here, as they actually have no experience whatsoever in coordinating large scale aid deliveries, even if delays somewhat further their goal of punishing palestinians. > UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording So what? Every major player on the world stage breaks international law whenever they damn well please, UK, US, Israel, China, Russia, they all do, to the point where in my eyes "x is breaking international law" is a completely worthless statement. Nobody is really going to do anything about it if you're on the right side of the new iron curtain. This might be very cynical from me, but honestly, can you name the last time when the words “international law” carried any real weight?
  - ein0p 3y ago
    It's far less complicated than you make it out to be. I'm on whichever side that doesn't deem it acceptable to deliberately kill kids by the thousand. Whatever else you type does not change that determination.
    - sgjohnson 3y ago
      > I'm on whichever side that doesn't deem it acceptable to deliberately kill kids by the thousand. Unfortunately, that side doesn’t exist in this world. Civilians have died in every war ever known to man. Whether they are kids or not is completely irrelevant.
      - mandmandam 3y ago
        More children in Palestine have been murdered in 6 months than in every other conflict in the world combined over the last four years. Glibly dismissing this as "shit happens" is soul-rot.
        sgjohnson 3y ago
        > More children in Palestine have been murdered in 6 months than in every other conflict in the world combined over the last four years. If you really believe that, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...
        mandmandam 3y ago
        > Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512 There's even a picture, if that helps. Hope you kept the receipt for that bridge.
        sgjohnson 3y ago
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mandmandam 3y ago

It seems that you're claiming the only way to violate international law is to bomb all their people at once. This is very wrong. Targeting hospitals without clear proof of military activity is against international law. As is collective punishment, using starvation as a weapon of war, and many other things which are currently being livestreamed to the world. If you understand a topic this poorly, why not read a little about it before 'contributing' to the discussion? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-lawyers-say-israel-is-breaking-international-law-claims-top-tory-in-leaked-recording https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-... When even Tory lawyers are telling their government that they are arming a genocidal state and need to stop immediately or be liable for war crimes...

sgjohnson 3y ago
I'm convinced that there's no way to fight a war without pissing someone off. Even more so, it's impossible to fight an _assymetric_ war without pissing a lot of people off. > Targeting hospitals without clear proof of military activity is against international law. What's "clear proof" is in the eye of the beholder. > As is collective punishment, using starvation as a weapon of war I'm actually willing to give Israel the benefit of doubt here, as they actually have no experience whatsoever in coordinating large scale aid deliveries, even if delays somewhat further their goal of punishing palestinians. > UK government lawyers say Israel is breaking international law, claims top Tory in leaked recording So what? Every major player on the world stage breaks international law whenever they damn well please, UK, US, Israel, China, Russia, they all do, to the point where in my eyes "x is breaking international law" is a completely worthless statement. Nobody is really going to do anything about it if you're on the right side of the new iron curtain. This might be very cynical from me, but honestly, can you name the last time when the words “international law” carried any real weight?
- ein0p 3y ago
  It's far less complicated than you make it out to be. I'm on whichever side that doesn't deem it acceptable to deliberately kill kids by the thousand. Whatever else you type does not change that determination.
  - sgjohnson 3y ago
    > I'm on whichever side that doesn't deem it acceptable to deliberately kill kids by the thousand. Unfortunately, that side doesn’t exist in this world. Civilians have died in every war ever known to man. Whether they are kids or not is completely irrelevant.
    - mandmandam 3y ago
      More children in Palestine have been murdered in 6 months than in every other conflict in the world combined over the last four years. Glibly dismissing this as "shit happens" is soul-rot.
      - sgjohnson 3y ago
        > More children in Palestine have been murdered in 6 months than in every other conflict in the world combined over the last four years. If you really believe that, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...
        mandmandam 3y ago
        > Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512 There's even a picture, if that helps. Hope you kept the receipt for that bridge.
        sgjohnson 3y ago

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