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By contrast, ZFS has "slop space" to avoid this very problem (wedging the filesystem by running out of space during a large operation). By default it reserves 3

By contrast, ZFS has "slop space" to avoid this very problem (wedging the filesystem by running out of space during a large operation). By default it reserves 3.2% of your volume's space for this, up to 128GB. So by adjusting the Linux kernel tunable "spa_slop_shift" to shrink the slop space, you can regain up to 128GB of bonus space to successfully complete your file deletion operations: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Performance%20and%20Tuning/Module%20Parameters.html#spa-slop-shift https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Performance%20and%20T...

nobody9999 3y ago
>By contrast, ZFS has "slop space" to avoid this very problem As does ext4 (although they call the space "reserved blocks"). 'man tune2fs' for details. As well as most other modern (and not so modern[0]) filesystems. [0] As I recall, the same was true for SunOS'[1] UFS back in the 1980s. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS
- _flux 3y ago
  In ext[234]fs the reserved blocks is something else though: they are reserved to a specific user, by default root. So if normal users fill out the filesystem, the root user still has some space to write. Sort of a simple quota system. I believe this problem in is only relevant to CoW filesystems. With ext[234]fs you can set the reserved blocks to 0, fill the fs, and always remove files to fix the situation.
bell-cot 3y ago
Yes - and reserving a percentage of disk space (for this reason) was a routine feature of "real" filesystems decades before ZFS (or Linux) even existed. It's kinda like how almost any 1980's MS-DOS shareware terminal program was really good at downloading files over a limited-bandwidth connection, but current versions of MS Windows are utter crap at that should-be-trivial task.

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By contrast, ZFS has "slop space" to avoid this very problem (wedging the filesystem by running out of space during a large operation). By default it reserves 3

by thenickdude 3y ago

nobody9999 3y ago
>By contrast, ZFS has "slop space" to avoid this very problem As does ext4 (although they call the space "reserved blocks"). 'man tune2fs' for details. As well as most other modern (and not so modern[0]) filesystems. [0] As I recall, the same was true for SunOS'[1] UFS back in the 1980s. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS
- _flux 3y ago
  In ext[234]fs the reserved blocks is something else though: they are reserved to a specific user, by default root. So if normal users fill out the filesystem, the root user still has some space to write. Sort of a simple quota system. I believe this problem in is only relevant to CoW filesystems. With ext[234]fs you can set the reserved blocks to 0, fill the fs, and always remove files to fix the situation.
bell-cot 3y ago
Yes - and reserving a percentage of disk space (for this reason) was a routine feature of "real" filesystems decades before ZFS (or Linux) even existed. It's kinda like how almost any 1980's MS-DOS shareware terminal program was really good at downloading files over a limited-bandwidth connection, but current versions of MS Windows are utter crap at that should-be-trivial task.