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Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined every day, week, month, and year. US drug policy is not about harm re

by sneak 3y ago

Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined every day, week, month, and year. US drug policy is not about harm reduction or life saving, and never has been.

worik 3y ago
> Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined Is that true? I am not denying it, but the opiate overdose rate is staggering.
- notjulianjaynes 3y ago
  Yeah it's somewhere near half a million people per year in the US die from diseases caused by cigarette smoking. Fent's body count last I checked was like 77,000. Whether they are a fair comparison I'm not sure. It might be more accurate to say that while fentanyl can kill you, cigarettes make you live less long, rather than to say they kill you. No one drops dead from lighting a cigarette. Meanwhile, if it weren't for unreliable dosing due to black market pressures, I'm not sure regular, reliably dosed opiate usage would kill you slow the way cigarettes do.[citation needed] Anecdotally, I've noticed that ex junkies often look ten years younger than they have any right to.
huytersd 3y ago
Cigarettes are a slow poison and mild stimulant at worst. It really doesn’t modify a person’s day to day behavior in any significant way.
- worik 3y ago
  Sends them out to stand in the rain several times a day....
coldtea 3y ago
>Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined every day, week, month, and year. That's because they do it after at least decades of use and for a much smaller percentage (if opioids were used by the same number of people, we'd be knee-deep on corspes in the streets), and they don't affect nowhere near as much (if at all) the general functioning or mental health of their users. Even the average user's health is not really that affected, unless they get C after decades of use. There are much worse offenders (like eating and a sedentary lifestyle).
FredPret 3y ago
Cigarette users don't nearly always spiral into behaviors that are both self-destructive, heartbreaking to family, and sometimes violently criminal toward the innocent bystanders nearby.

by sneak 3y ago

worik 3y ago

> Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined Is that true? I am not denying it, but the opiate overdose rate is staggering.

notjulianjaynes 3y ago
Yeah it's somewhere near half a million people per year in the US die from diseases caused by cigarette smoking. Fent's body count last I checked was like 77,000. Whether they are a fair comparison I'm not sure. It might be more accurate to say that while fentanyl can kill you, cigarettes make you live less long, rather than to say they kill you. No one drops dead from lighting a cigarette. Meanwhile, if it weren't for unreliable dosing due to black market pressures, I'm not sure regular, reliably dosed opiate usage would kill you slow the way cigarettes do.[citation needed] Anecdotally, I've noticed that ex junkies often look ten years younger than they have any right to.

huytersd 3y ago

Cigarettes are a slow poison and mild stimulant at worst. It really doesn’t modify a person’s day to day behavior in any significant way.

worik 3y ago
Sends them out to stand in the rain several times a day....

coldtea 3y ago

>Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined every day, week, month, and year. That's because they do it after at least decades of use and for a much smaller percentage (if opioids were used by the same number of people, we'd be knee-deep on corspes in the streets), and they don't affect nowhere near as much (if at all) the general functioning or mental health of their users. Even the average user's health is not really that affected, unless they get C after decades of use. There are much worse offenders (like eating and a sedentary lifestyle).

FredPret 3y ago

Cigarette users don't nearly always spiral into behaviors that are both self-destructive, heartbreaking to family, and sometimes violently criminal toward the innocent bystanders nearby.