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These things constantly change and who has time for all of that? Windows to me is intuitive by default, I can't find macOS intuitive after 10 years even when b

These things constantly change and who has time for all of that? Windows to me is intuitive by default, I can't find macOS intuitive after 10 years even when being forced to work with it professionally. I still can't deal with copy paste ctrl/cmd btn being in an awkward position and if I change it in the settings other problems ensue. My muscle memory is all kinds of done.

tpmoney 3y ago
>These things constantly change and who has time for all of that? While Apple does change some things with some regularity, the change from "Zoom Window" to "Full Screen" for the green button (and it's alternate behavior when holding option) has been in place since 10.7, 13 years ago. The ability to double click a window titlebar to get the same effect has been in place since the classic mac OS days. I imagine most people have time within a 13 year period to type "Maximize" into the Help search and read the "Move and arrange app windows" topic, and specifically the "Maximize or minimize app windows" section therein.
- Toutouxc 3y ago
  > the change from "Zoom Window" to "Full Screen" for the green button (and it's alternate behavior when holding option) has been in place since 10.7 Not exactly, full screen was introduced in 10.7 (Lion) but it used a separate button on the right side of the window. 10.10 (Yosemite) moved it to the green button.
theshrike79 3y ago
And Windows has added the stupid search bar, changed the start menu, made stuff in the task bar slot on the right side automatically hide etc. Completely unintuitive. Of course when you're "forced" to work with something, you don't have the motivation to learn to use it properly. Just like me with Windows. I just can't understand the logic of having a global shortcut to open Linkedin for example :)
sunaookami 3y ago
> Windows to me is intuitive by default Because you are used to it. It would've been the other way around if you grew up with macOS. I have no problem with both of these systems after spending the time to get used to how macOS behaves. Hated it at first too after being "forced" to use it at work because I wanted to use it like Windows.
- mewpmewp2 3y ago
  But I still feel bad about using it even though I have been using it as primary for 10 years now. All the little details annoy me, like the animations, settings, mouse acceleration, etc, etc. I know some animations can be turned off, some things can be tweaked, but this is also annoying. I haven't ever seen as cheesy animations as the genie or the annoying jumping icon. Spotlight search rarely giving me the results I want, then at last moment when I'm going to pick something, changing the results, etc. And in general the toolbar design I don't like at all, I still can't reliably feel it out when the toolbar should pop up from the bottom when not, and then all the windows are kind of positioned in a messed up way due to that, either having a weird gap below when the toolbar is not visible. Windows has it flat out constantly visible.

tpmoney 3y ago

>These things constantly change and who has time for all of that? While Apple does change some things with some regularity, the change from "Zoom Window" to "Full Screen" for the green button (and it's alternate behavior when holding option) has been in place since 10.7, 13 years ago. The ability to double click a window titlebar to get the same effect has been in place since the classic mac OS days. I imagine most people have time within a 13 year period to type "Maximize" into the Help search and read the "Move and arrange app windows" topic, and specifically the "Maximize or minimize app windows" section therein.

Toutouxc 3y ago
> the change from "Zoom Window" to "Full Screen" for the green button (and it's alternate behavior when holding option) has been in place since 10.7 Not exactly, full screen was introduced in 10.7 (Lion) but it used a separate button on the right side of the window. 10.10 (Yosemite) moved it to the green button.

theshrike79 3y ago

And Windows has added the stupid search bar, changed the start menu, made stuff in the task bar slot on the right side automatically hide etc. Completely unintuitive. Of course when you're "forced" to work with something, you don't have the motivation to learn to use it properly. Just like me with Windows. I just can't understand the logic of having a global shortcut to open Linkedin for example :)

sunaookami 3y ago

> Windows to me is intuitive by default Because you are used to it. It would've been the other way around if you grew up with macOS. I have no problem with both of these systems after spending the time to get used to how macOS behaves. Hated it at first too after being "forced" to use it at work because I wanted to use it like Windows.

mewpmewp2 3y ago
But I still feel bad about using it even though I have been using it as primary for 10 years now. All the little details annoy me, like the animations, settings, mouse acceleration, etc, etc. I know some animations can be turned off, some things can be tweaked, but this is also annoying. I haven't ever seen as cheesy animations as the genie or the annoying jumping icon. Spotlight search rarely giving me the results I want, then at last moment when I'm going to pick something, changing the results, etc. And in general the toolbar design I don't like at all, I still can't reliably feel it out when the toolbar should pop up from the bottom when not, and then all the windows are kind of positioned in a messed up way due to that, either having a weird gap below when the toolbar is not visible. Windows has it flat out constantly visible.