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macos finder is still bad at everything. it organizes the icon view without grid support so things will be spaced weird and go off the screen. it doesn't tell y
by coconut08 3y ago
macos finder is still bad at everything. it organizes the icon view without grid support so things will be spaced weird and go off the screen. it doesn't tell you how fast files are transferring. shift click to select a series of files doesn't work in icon mode. enter doesn't open the folder. there is only a back button and not a go up directory button and these are just the things i could immediately remember with 10 seconds of thought.
- VHRanger 3y agoYou forgot the lovely thing that is .DS_Store, which ends up everywhere your machine visits on the network.
- geerlingguy 3y agoApple has a silly default enabled that causes that issue—the best thing is to disable it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102064 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102064
- wetpaws 3y ago[dead]
- talldayo 3y agoSilly defaults are why I got rid of my Macbook. I just can't tread the water. Put on your headphones... Apple Music launches. Save files to a certain directory, and it's a tacit request to put it in iCloud. Mouse acceleration is default, disabling it is as easy as a terminal command though (or a third-party tweaking tool). Safari will send nag notifications, but only if you don't disable it. Leaving iCloud alone will add a bright red (1) balloon to your Settings app for no reason; probably for the best. Disable Crash Reporter, disable telemetry, disable the program terminator, disable the sleep image, disable OCSP and Gatekeeper... on top of all that, I still disable automatic updates since Apple cannot be trusted to maintain basic functionality between minor updates. In all my time on MacOS, the only piece of compelling software I found was iTerm2. Which is a shame, since I don't use MacOS for terminal stuff besides SSH anyways.
- VHRanger 3y agoBoy if iCloud defaults annoy you, wait until you see recent versions of Windows. By default they put your entire desktop folder, documents folder, etc. as children folders of the OneDrive folder now. It's absolutely infuriating
- JoBrad 3y agoThat’s a feature, though. My parents, our CEo, etc. never lose a file. And if they get a new device everything just shows up on the new device. It’s sort of magical, actually.
- talldayo 3y agoYep - I dropped Windows 10 like the hot garbage it was. I suffered through Windows 8 expecting that things might turn around, and even on the insider builds it consistently felt like Windows was an ad delivery platform. I was disappointed to watch Apple fumble their opportunity to make OSX the true Windows-killer. Now that I daily-drive Linux, I don't log-on to Windows or Mac systems without a deposit for the troubles. I truly feel bad looking out at the modern landscape of mainstream operating systems. It's no wonder most people feel trapped by modern technology.
- reaperducer 3y agoYou forgot the lovely thing that is .DS_Store, which ends up everywhere your machine visits on the network. No worse than Windows spewing thumbs.db files all over the place. Or any of the thousands of different dot files that end up in Linux volumes.
- coconut08 3y agoi must have missed the part of nautilus or dolphin where they put a dot file in every directory you navigate to.
- crtasm 3y agoDoes Windows still make that file? I built a new PC a few years ago and don't recall disabling it (Win10).
- JoBrad 3y agoI think it’s only present if Explorer needs to store a preview for a folder or file.
- noisem4ker 3y agoThey're gone since Vista (2007), I think. Widows now stores thumbnails in the user profile folder. But the stigma lives on.
- akdev1l 3y agodotfiles live in your home directory almost exclusively. Literally there’s no tooling I know of that will drop random hidden files. The ext4 filesystem does have a special hidden directory for data partially recovered/corrupted
- justinclift 3y agoOn that note, ZFS has a hidden ".zfs" directory for accessing filesystem snapshots. That works with ZFS shared over the network (samba, etc) too, which can be useful. :)
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- mmaniac 3y agoResource forks are worse than that. Any non-Apple filesystem you work on gets littered with ._ files and archives get __MACOSX folders too. Mac OS leave a lot of detritus in its wake.
- rchaud 3y agoApple's equivalent of the "sent from my Blackberry" email signatures of yore.
- wpm 3y agoI prefer enter to not open folders and files. Command+O opens. Should be configurable though.
- derefr 3y agoCmd+Down is more generic. It’s the “enter” (as in “go into”) to Cmd+Up’s “leave” / “go out of.”
- TheLoafOfBread 3y agoEnter = one key Cmd+whatever = annoying chord.
- jwells89 3y agoMake that two of us. Enter is too easy to fumble-press while having tens or hundreds of files selected, so it’s better to have that hooked to something inconsequential and easily reversible. By comparison Command-O is much harder to press unintentionally. Also if I recall correctly, enter to rename has been Mac convention since the beginning, making it not wrong but just different.
- spiderxxxx 3y agoOk, step back a bit... I have a file selected, I have a key called 'enter' - if I press 'enter' what would you expect to happen? I'd expect to 'enter' the file - by opening it or 'entering' the file. I wouldn't expect it to 'enter a new name', because that's an editing function. Now, my mac has enter marked as 'return'. Let's follow the same logic, assume I have a file selected, what should 'return' on a file do? Return it to where?
- Toutouxc 3y agoThe key is Return. It's always been called Return on Macs (AFAIK). "Return to rename" is just a convention, and it doesn't make sense, but calling the key Enter and not making a distinction between Return and Enter is a Windowsism, just like expecting Ctrl + C to work, the semaphore to be on the right side of the window and — for the longest time — expecting the green dot to "maximize" the app (since changed from Zoom to Fullscreen).
- Solvency 3y agoit's fucking outrageous. one of my favorites: go save a file in some deeply nested directory. use Column view in the save dialog to get you there. now try to save another file. you're in Column view only there's one one column: the last saved folder. ZERO WAY to get back out! WHY WOULD YOU TRUNCATE ALL OF THE PARENTS FOLDERS FOR NO REASON!
- nedrylandJP 3y agoCan't you go up a folder using the dropdown at the top?
- Solvency 3y agoYes which is completely insane. Here we made these columns. But arbitrarily we decided can't use them, so here's a flat, non-structured, hodgepodge miniature list of stuff in a drop-down.
- threeseed 3y agoNot sure what app you are doing this in. I just tried a few e.g. Safari, Word and can't recreate the behaviour. Every time column view shows the full hierarchy.
- nullwarp 3y agoReally one of the worst pieces of software I've ever been forced to use.
- nightfly 3y agoWindows Explorer isn't great either. Still can't support names/paths that the windows filesystem can
- nullwarp 3y agoSorry but windows explorer is miles ahead of finder. Granted that's not that hard with how bad finder really is.
- kalleboo 3y agoNaw, Windows Explorer is basically useless for productivity. No QuickLook, no spring-loaded folders, can't show directory sizes in list view, for some reason it sorts directories separately from files(?!?) so you can't just type to jump to files, search is still atrocious etc etc. It's just so barren. No the Finder UI is far superior. The part where it falls down is just in sheer bugginess and performance. And Apple of the past couple years has shown it does not care about fixing bugginess or performance on any of their platforms.
- 1over137 3y ago>there is only a back button and not a go up directory button You can press Command-up; and also add such a button in the toolbar from View > Customize Toolbar.
- LeoPanthera 3y ago> there is only a back button and not a go up directory button Command-click the folder name in the title bar. Or, View > Show Path Bar.
- rovr138 3y agoor Command + Up Arrow
- nullwarp 3y ago[flagged]
- simonklitj 3y agoCalm down man. That comment was a solution to a problem, not a defense in any sense. Yikes.
- threeseed 3y ago> secret hotkey It's the third item in the Finder Go menu. Not exactly secret.
- frozenlettuce 3y agoFile browsing has been a solved problem since Windows XP. I hate that Finder doesn't provide a button in its UI to go one level up (instead I have to use cmd+up). The fact that it hides the actual drives makes me think that this is all intentional to have users unlearn (or not learn, if young) how HDs work and bill for that juicy cloud storage.
- Dalewyn 3y ago>The fact that it hides the actual drives makes me think that this is all intentional It definitely is intentional, and for good reason[1]. [1]: https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-dont-know-what-files-and-folders-are-professors-say https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-do...
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- Teever 3y agoTry long clicking the window title/icon, it'll reveal the tree and you can traverse up it.
- Teever 3y agoOops, actually meant rigiht click.
- tpmoney 3y ago>The fact that it hides the actual drives makes me think that this is all intentional to have users unlearn (or not learn, if young) how HDs work and bill for that juicy cloud storage. Isn't that just the standard nix filesystem view abstraction leaking into the rest of the OS? Your file system could be any number of drives (or no drives at all) mounted at arbitrary points. Showing them like they are any relevant place to start for most users seems silly. Especially given that in a modern nix OS, almost everything in the top level of `/` is useless to users.
- ks2048 3y agoIcon-view mode is baffling. After maybe two decades, I still don't know what "clean-up by ..." means or why it just doesn't arrange things nicely by default.
- tpmoney 3y ago"Clean Up By" arranges files by the selected attribute, compared to "Sort By" which keeps files arranged by the selected attribute. If I were Apple I would have either gone with `Arrange/Sort By` and `Keep Arranged/Sorted By` or a single menu `Sort By` with a toggle-able option to keep it sorted by the selected item. I suspect the latter at least might not be done because then the menu items for the attributes you sort by would remain selected or reset automatically depending on the state of the `Keep Sorted` toggle, which would be weirdly inconsistent. But then again the `Clean up By` menu enables and disabled depending on the state of the `Sort By` menu, which is arguably even more inconsistent and confusing.
- jprival 3y ago> enter doesn't open the folder That’s a little like complaining that Alt-F4 is unintuitive, isn’t it? It’s historical continuity. On the other hand, they changed Command-N… > there is only a back button and not a go up directory button Can’t argue with that one, though.
- coconut08 3y agoapple is weird, because on one hand they maintain vestiges in macos from back in the 80s and 90s when it comes to weird ux and file/window management things even though they are severely dated by todays standards. this is possibly suggesting that they don't want to rug pull people who have have grown accustomed to a certain workflow, but then at the same time they will make drastic changes like completely abandoning x11, for all intents and purposes opengl, completely change cpu architectures multiple times and remove hardware peripheral ports that people depend on without batting an eye.
- jprival 3y agoAlso sometimes they do make really painful and arbitrary UI/UX changes - don’t get me started on the iOS podcast app. Personally I’m all for preserving keyboard shortcuts because that’s something I really internalize but it would be hard to argue that they are consistent taking any kind of broader view.
- theshrike79 3y agocmd-up goes up a directory tree cmd-down goes down a directory tree if you have a directory selected or opens a file if one is selected IMO more intuitive than "enter opens file, backspace goes back", but YMMV
- TheLoafOfBread 3y agoAre you using cmd-o to open link in Safari too?
- theshrike79 3y agoI don't tend to use the keyboard when navigating web pages.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y agoNot even when you are typing address or searching?
- 10729287 3y agoDon’t forget selecting multiple files, right clicking to check infos to know how much the total weight. Enjoy
- duffyjp 3y agoYou mean you didn't want 400 info windows that have to be closed individually?
- tpmoney 3y agoI can see an argument for the default behavior (though I would want the combined info too). But in case you or any other reader doesn’t know, hold option when choosing from the right click (or press cmd-opt-i) to get the “inspector” instead which will give you information about the whole group of files. And related if you do open a mess of individual info windows, holding option while closing a window will close all windows in an application (note that since the info windows are in the finder, this will close your finder window too)
- 10729287 3y agoThanks for the tips. I was aware of holding option to show inspector but not about this behaviour while closing apps holding it. Nice to know. As always, the best features of Macos are the hidden ones. Still, to me, inspector should be the default.
- subjectsigma 3y agoI have legitimately never had a complaint about Finder and I don’t really get the hate in this thread. I guess to each his own.
- sumedh 3y agoYou never had to check the size of lets say 10 folders at once? Try doing that in Finder and let us know if you like the approach or not.
- subjectsigma 3y agoBelieve it or not, I’ve never had to check the size of ten separate folders at once. Like, ever. I have to amend my previous comment; reading the thread I do understand the hate now, nearly all of the comments here where people are angry at Finder are just things I’ve never had to do. And I suppose if I had to do them I would just use a shell script. A big one is “no button to go up in the folder hierarchy”, I always open folders in a list view at a high level directory like ~/Documents so I just… didn’t notice the lack of this button. Huh. Does this mean Finder is “good”? Well clearly not since so many people are unhappy. But it’s working fine for me. Without any other info I would assume it’s working fine for a majority of macOS users.
- saagarjha 2y ago⌘⌥I?