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> Their claims about Jpegli seem to make WebP obsolete regarding lossy encoding? Similar compression estimates as WebP versus JPEG are brought up. I believe Jp
by lonjil 3y ago
> Their claims about Jpegli seem to make WebP obsolete regarding lossy encoding? Similar compression estimates as WebP versus JPEG are brought up.
I believe Jpegli beats WebP for medium to high quality compression. I would guess that more than half of all WebP images on the net would definitely be smaller as Jpegli-encoded JPEGs of similar quality. And note that Jpegli is actually worse than MozJPEG and libjpeg-turbo at medium-low qualities. Something like libjpeg-turbo q75 is the crossover point I believe.
> Hell, I question if AVIF is even worth it with Jpegli.
According to another test [1], for large (like 10+ Mpix) photographs compressed with high quality, Jpegli wins over AVIF. But AVIF seems to win for "web size" images. Though, as for point 2 in your next paragraph, Jpegli is indeed much faster than AVIF.
> JPEG XL would've still been worth it though because it's just covering so much more ground than JPEG/Jpegli and it has a streaming decoder like a sensible format geared for Internet use, as well as progressive decoding support for mobile networks.
Indeed. At a minimum, JXL gives you another 20% size reduction just from the better entropy coding.
[1] https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front
- ksec 3y ago> I would guess that more than half of all WebP images on the net would definitely be smaller as Jpegli-encoded JPEGs of similar quality. That was what I expected a long time ago but it turns out to be a false assumption. According to Google with data from Chrome. 80%+ of images on the web are bpp 1.0+.
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- miragecraft 3y ago> And note that Jpegli is actually worse than MozJPEG and libjpeg-turbo at medium-low qualities. Something like libjpeg-turbo q75 is the crossover point I believe. May I ask how you came to this conclusion? The Cloudinary article appears to show jpegli beating mozjpeg and turbojpeg even at the "Medium" setting (less bits per pixel).
- JyrkiAlakuijala 3y agoMozJPEG not being more precise than Jpegli at mid or lower qualities also matches with our experiments, both internal uncontrolled experiments and the rater study we published. There was an earlier version which was not very good at medium or low quality, but Zoltan fixed that about six months ago.