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Children and women do not shoot up tanks

by ein0p 3y ago

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago
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- ein0p 3y ago
  Doesn’t mean it’s true. Remember the source. A toddler can’t even lift an RPG
  - bloaf 3y ago
    The Palestinians have a well documented history of using children in combat. See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_b...
    - mandmandam 3y ago
      From your own link: > At the height of the phenomenon, Avraham Burg, former chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel, speaker of Israel's Knesset and interim President of Israel, stated his view that, given Israeli indifference to the tortured lives of Palestinian children under occupation, suicide bombings come as no surprise. ... Palestinians have been tortured from birth for decades. Acting surprised when they fight back is either disingenuous or stupid, or both.
      - gryzzly 3y ago
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        mandmandam 3y ago
        Lol, are you even reading your own quoted text? > "a desire to avenge relatives or friends killed by the Israeli army". Yeah. If your relatives and friends were killed by an occupying force you might fight back. That's my whole point. It's as if Palestinian lives are worth so little to you the words don't even reach your cognition... Besides which, Amnesty International have been very clear and vocal about Israel's genocidal campaign, eg, https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israelopt-israel-must-comply-todays-icj-ruling https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israelopt-israel-m...
        gryzzly 3y ago
        it says "may", and the social science seems to believe it is far from main reason people join islamist extremist groups – https://mwi.westpoint.edu/who-really-chooses-to-become-a-suicide-bomber/ https://mwi.westpoint.edu/who-really-chooses-to-become-a-sui... https://www.eip.org/why-do-people-join-terrorist-organisations/#:~:text=People%20join%20extremists%20organisations%20for,al%20Shabab%20for%20economic%20reasons https://www.eip.org/why-do-people-join-terrorist-organisatio.... As long as PA pays pension to terrorist families, UNRWA teachers teach math with "how many jews killed" and Iran and Qatar actively sponsor islamist terror, the society will remain the way it is now.
  - klipt 3y ago
    Does child soldier only mean toddlers though? I thought it was more commonly 16, 17 year olds. Presumably recruiting 17 year olds is against international law. But for a guerrilla fighting group that doesn't care about international law, a 17 year old is almost the ideal recruit. They can fight almost as effectively as an 18 year old can, and if they die in combat you can also claim, technically truthfully, that the enemy is deliberately targeting children.
    - ein0p 3y ago
      Does Israel care about international law? Because I’m seeing a lot of dead and wounded toddlers.
      - YZF 3y ago
        Israel does care about international law. A lot. The IDF has lawyers involved in many targeting decisions and other decisions. There is a department dedicated to it: https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/military-advocate-general-s-corps/international-law-department/ https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/military-advocate-general-s... podcast: "The Lawyer who Advises the IDF on Law of War issues in Gaza" https://law-disrupted.fm/idf-lawyer-advises-war-gaza-military-operations/ https://law-disrupted.fm/idf-lawyer-advises-war-gaza-militar... Now whether the right-wing soldier who has seen his friends murdered in a music festival and has been sent in with a tank into Gaza care? Very likely less so. Does every member of this right wing government care? Likely less. However the independent court system in Israel can also enforce the various conventions Israel is a signatory to (e.g. the Geneva convention). The situation where young soldiers are in Gaza armed to the teeth fighting an enemy that blends in with civilians is the creation of Hamas. If Israel follows international law 100% you will still see a lot dead toddlers in this kind of warfare. So just that fact doesn't prove much.
      - sgjohnson 3y ago
        If Israel didn't care about international law, all of Gaza would now be a smoking crater and the death toll would be an order of magnitude higher.
- Avicebron 3y ago
  I wonder if we track this sentiment how far back it would go, I'd suspect it goes back about as far as there have been public complaints about child deaths.
leptons 3y ago
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- ein0p 3y ago
  You are aware you’re parroting war propaganda, right? I mean sure, this does happen in some cases I’m sure, for that matter I have seen the IDF _on video_ use Palestinians as human shields. But the entire article is about the fact that nobody is even looking if there are civilians there before dropping bombs, and 20K+ of women and children are now dead as a result.
  - p3rls 3y ago
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    - ein0p 3y ago
      That too is war propaganda though.
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
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andsoitis 3y ago
> women do not shoot up tanks There’s quite a bit of literature, history, statistics on women terrorists as well as soldiers.
- goatsi 3y ago
  In the linked article the only check the IDF was still using on the target list provided by the AI was discarding any and all targets it selected who were women, as they don't believe Hamas would use them as fighters.
gryzzly 3y ago
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Children and women do not shoot up tanks

by ein0p 3y ago

Children and women do not shoot up tanks

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago

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ein0p 3y ago
Doesn’t mean it’s true. Remember the source. A toddler can’t even lift an RPG
- bloaf 3y ago
  The Palestinians have a well documented history of using children in combat. See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_b...
  - mandmandam 3y ago
    From your own link: > At the height of the phenomenon, Avraham Burg, former chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel, speaker of Israel's Knesset and interim President of Israel, stated his view that, given Israeli indifference to the tortured lives of Palestinian children under occupation, suicide bombings come as no surprise. ... Palestinians have been tortured from birth for decades. Acting surprised when they fight back is either disingenuous or stupid, or both.
    - gryzzly 3y ago
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      - mandmandam 3y ago
        Lol, are you even reading your own quoted text? > "a desire to avenge relatives or friends killed by the Israeli army". Yeah. If your relatives and friends were killed by an occupying force you might fight back. That's my whole point. It's as if Palestinian lives are worth so little to you the words don't even reach your cognition... Besides which, Amnesty International have been very clear and vocal about Israel's genocidal campaign, eg, https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israelopt-israel-must-comply-todays-icj-ruling https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israelopt-israel-m...
        gryzzly 3y ago
        it says "may", and the social science seems to believe it is far from main reason people join islamist extremist groups – https://mwi.westpoint.edu/who-really-chooses-to-become-a-suicide-bomber/ https://mwi.westpoint.edu/who-really-chooses-to-become-a-sui... https://www.eip.org/why-do-people-join-terrorist-organisations/#:~:text=People%20join%20extremists%20organisations%20for,al%20Shabab%20for%20economic%20reasons https://www.eip.org/why-do-people-join-terrorist-organisatio.... As long as PA pays pension to terrorist families, UNRWA teachers teach math with "how many jews killed" and Iran and Qatar actively sponsor islamist terror, the society will remain the way it is now.
- klipt 3y ago
  Does child soldier only mean toddlers though? I thought it was more commonly 16, 17 year olds. Presumably recruiting 17 year olds is against international law. But for a guerrilla fighting group that doesn't care about international law, a 17 year old is almost the ideal recruit. They can fight almost as effectively as an 18 year old can, and if they die in combat you can also claim, technically truthfully, that the enemy is deliberately targeting children.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    Does Israel care about international law? Because I’m seeing a lot of dead and wounded toddlers.
    - YZF 3y ago
      Israel does care about international law. A lot. The IDF has lawyers involved in many targeting decisions and other decisions. There is a department dedicated to it: https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/military-advocate-general-s-corps/international-law-department/ https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/military-advocate-general-s... podcast: "The Lawyer who Advises the IDF on Law of War issues in Gaza" https://law-disrupted.fm/idf-lawyer-advises-war-gaza-military-operations/ https://law-disrupted.fm/idf-lawyer-advises-war-gaza-militar... Now whether the right-wing soldier who has seen his friends murdered in a music festival and has been sent in with a tank into Gaza care? Very likely less so. Does every member of this right wing government care? Likely less. However the independent court system in Israel can also enforce the various conventions Israel is a signatory to (e.g. the Geneva convention). The situation where young soldiers are in Gaza armed to the teeth fighting an enemy that blends in with civilians is the creation of Hamas. If Israel follows international law 100% you will still see a lot dead toddlers in this kind of warfare. So just that fact doesn't prove much.
    - sgjohnson 3y ago
      If Israel didn't care about international law, all of Gaza would now be a smoking crater and the death toll would be an order of magnitude higher.
Avicebron 3y ago
I wonder if we track this sentiment how far back it would go, I'd suspect it goes back about as far as there have been public complaints about child deaths.

leptons 3y ago

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ein0p 3y ago
You are aware you’re parroting war propaganda, right? I mean sure, this does happen in some cases I’m sure, for that matter I have seen the IDF _on video_ use Palestinians as human shields. But the entire article is about the fact that nobody is even looking if there are civilians there before dropping bombs, and 20K+ of women and children are now dead as a result.
- p3rls 3y ago
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    That too is war propaganda though.
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- leptons 3y ago
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andsoitis 3y ago

> women do not shoot up tanks There’s quite a bit of literature, history, statistics on women terrorists as well as soldiers.

goatsi 3y ago
In the linked article the only check the IDF was still using on the target list provided by the AI was discarding any and all targets it selected who were women, as they don't believe Hamas would use them as fighters.

gryzzly 3y ago

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