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Pitcairn Island Immigration
- nickdothutton 3y agoA paradise. It's just the people there...
- mikestew 3y agoI’d probably leave the kids at home: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Pitcairn_Islands_sexual_assault_trial https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Pitcairn_Islands_sexual...
- renewiltord 3y ago> A study of island records confirmed anecdotal evidence that most girls bore their first child between the ages of 12 and 15. "I think the girls were conditioned to accept that it was a man's world and once they turned 12, they were eligible," Tosen said. Mothers and grandmothers were resigned to the situation, telling him that their own childhood experience had been the same; they regarded it as just a part of life on Pitcairn. > One councillor told him, "Look, the age of consent has always been 12 and it doesn't hurt them." What in the bonkers hell. It seems like the place was just Child Abuse Island (r) (tm). Made their own little cult home. Crazy business. This bit about how they were not subject to the Crown because they'd mutinied against the HMS Bounty's officers is an even better story. Unbelievable stuff. Glad they were subject to the law. Though it looks like they're all free now, and presumably back at the noncery.
- hyggetrold 3y ago> It seems like the place was just Child Abuse Island (r) (tm). Yep - look at some of Simon Winchester's writing where we goes into more unfortunate detail about this. Pitcairn is not a place you want to go.
- secondcoming 3y agoMexico has some pretty low ages of consent, until recently it was 13 in Japan.
- adastra22 3y agoAge of consent in Japan wasn’t 13. That was the national age of consent, but literally every prefecture had a higher age specified in local law, and the higher number is what mattered. Changing the national age was largely symbolic, although it did have the beneficial effect of enabling national police instead of just local police to go after these cases.
- girvo 3y ago> Unbelievable stuff And silly, as the law (esp. international) usually cares more about de facto control in situations like this. Crazy argument to raise, but I guess if you can't argue they aren't nonces...
- ryandrake 3y agoIt's quite possible that the people involved did their time and the island is moving on from the events of the past. It seems uncharitable to paint an entire island with the brush of a single, very bad event that happened years ago. Imagine if every country had to be judged by the worst thing that happened in the country's history.
- bitvoid 3y ago> Imagine if every country had to be judged by the worst thing that happened in the country's history. I think it's a little different considering less than 50 people live on the island. It's more comparable to a small neighborhood than a country. It also seems uncharitable to describe this as a single event.
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- barbazoo 3y agoI read that too, nice little community they have there
- numbers 3y agoholy shit, a third of the island
- rmbyrro 3y agoOf the island's male population
- chrissnell 3y ago> There are no school age children currently on Pitcairn. Yeah, I'll pass. Can you imagine how hopeless it must feel for kids here?
- enad 3y agoThere are no school age children.
- worddepress 3y agoHonestly the whole thing looks like volunteering to be in a survival situation. No thanks.
- mjs 3y ago1. > … Olive Christian, wife of the accused mayor, daughter of Len Brown and mother of Randy Christian, both of whom were also among those accused, called a meeting of thirteen of the island's women, representing three generations at her home, Big Fence… 2. "Live Like a Local When you Stay at Big Fence with Steve & Olive Christian": https://www.visitpitcairn.pn/accommodation/big-fence https://www.visitpitcairn.pn/accommodation/big-fence
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- nsokolsky 3y agoI've always wondered why the UK bothers to keep up such a tiny island in the middle of nowhere. Would've been 10x cheaper for the budget to buy the residents 50 houses in Australia and just keep the island as a nature reserve.
- pyuser583 3y agoIf the UK loses Pitcairn, the sun will set on the British Empire. Literally. Without Pitcairn the UK will be entirely in the dark part of the day for the first time in centuries.
- hyggetrold 3y ago"What we have, we hold." - British Empire proverb
- blackfawn 3y agoIt keeps the saying "the sun never sets on the British empire" true, iirc.
- erehweb 3y agoYou never know when these places will be useful. Maybe they'd discover something valuable in territorial waters. It's a cheap lottery ticket.
- gedy 3y agoI think it's the closest land to R'lyeh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%27lyeh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%27lyeh
- bozhark 3y ago“ Land is granted on a leasehold basis and there is currently no charge. New Migrant Home Land Applications may be made to Island Council at any time within the 2 (non-consecutive permanent residency period. However, a request will not be progressed until such time as the applicant(s) are on-island” It’s 2-years, just a grammar/spelling error. But the open parentheses is aggravating
- dang 3y agoRelated. Others? Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island (2018) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28102843 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28102843 - Aug 2021 (111 comments) Live the Dream, Make the Change, Move to Pitcairn Island - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28098025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28098025 - Aug 2021 (1 comment) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14566717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14566717 (June 2017 - added to https://news.ycombinator.com/highlights https://news.ycombinator.com/highlights!) Pitcairn Islands - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9116933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9116933 - Feb 2015 (1 comment)
- wglb 3y agoRepopulation drive (2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7648367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7648367 in 2023 The Pitcairn Islands: Mutineers, Murder, Mayhem, and Incest https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37455091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37455091.
- runeb 3y ago> applications must also attach a police certificate or letter from every jurisdiction in which they have resided in, disclosing whether they have any convictions and the nature of those convictions. Presumably to prove that you have a criminal record before approval? /s edit: this was a joke about their mutiny, was unaware of the criminal issues brought up in another comment
- epolanski 3y agoI wonder if there are similar opportunities closer to Europe and less remote.
- thanksgiving 3y agoFor other readers like me, from the faq —— Does Pitcairn have Internet, phone and television? Yes, there is internet on the island, all homes and government buildings have their own Starlink Terminal. There is no Cellular service for mobile phones however international communications are easily achievable via mobile phone apps like Messenger, Viber, WhatsApp etc. There are two mobile satellite phones on Pitcairn for emergency use only, should the main telecommunications system fail. There is 1 Free-to-air Television Station at present, ABC from Australia however entertainment and news can be streamed easily via the internet. —— It would be nice to have fiber. How much would it cost to get fiber hooked up to a remote island like this?
- tptacek 3y agoMid-hi five figures per kilometer, pick endpoints and do the math. Divide the total by the population.
- pvg 3y agoLooks like a mere 1,477 km to Hao which seems to have cable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hao_(French_Polynesia)#Tertiary_sector_and_public_services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hao_(French_Polynesia)#Tertiar...
- doublec 3y agoStarlink is available there now and is probably the best option for high speed internet.
- NelsonMinar 3y agoReading _Serpent in Paradise_ cured me of any desire to spend a lot of time in Pitcairn. The author does a great job conveying what it was like living there as an outsider. https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/415696 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/415696 Note that book is from 1997, before the sexual assault trial against thirteen of the ~20 men who lived on Pitcairn. Most were convicted. There used to be a Pitcairn newspaper called "Dem Tull" that was online. Some issues are here: https://web.archive.org/web/20170523142005/http://www.demtullpitcairn.com/downloads.html https://web.archive.org/web/20170523142005/http://www.demtul...
- wglb 3y agoI once talked to Tom Christian, the ham radio operator, years in my youth. I have friends, also hams, that have travelled there for a DXPedition: https://pitcairndx.com/ https://pitcairndx.com/. It is seriously remote. [edit] More detail about the island: https://pitcairndx.com/the-island/ https://pitcairndx.com/the-island/. Transportation was by the ship Braveheart, one that often takes hams to remote places. https://pitcairndx.com/transportation/ https://pitcairndx.com/transportation/. One fun thing that they did was EME operation, a technological challenge bouncing signals off the moon https://pitcairndx.com/eme-2/ https://pitcairndx.com/eme-2/ One island that has been very difficult to operate radio from is Bouvet. Landings are difficult, and one team travelled all the way there at great expense but had to turn around as rough seas made landing impossible.
- doublec 3y agoI met Tom on the island when I stayed there about 12 years ago. He's a cousin of mine - my grandmother was born there and I'm a descendent of Fletcher Christian too. I was there for a month and had a great time. The island is small but very hilly so there's lots of walking around and exploring that can be done. There's definitely a feeling of remoteness when your boat leaves and the realisation that there's no way to leave until it comes back again!
- wglb 3y agoAre there a lot of tourists that show up in their own boat?
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- 2143 3y agoIn that page there's a picture of a signboard with distances to other places around the world. Interesting that Pitcairn-South Pole distance is twice that of Pitcairn-New York distance. Unintuitive to me. On a tangent, I like the idea of living in tiny somewhat isolated but reasonably developed islands (ie., not the rainforest type islands — personal preference) and sometimes think about moving to some place like that for a year or so. Might help that I'm an introvert. Probably not Pitcairn though. Has any of you lived in places like Svalbard, Faroe Islands etc? What is it like?
- beej71 3y agoTheir honey is fricken delicious. Super unique flavor for me on the US west coast.
- zilti 3y agoThere's a really nice series of episodes on the Extremities podcast about Pitcairn.