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How does this system get the input? Are Palestinians using IDF tapped cell towers? Or is it possible to use roaming towers for this? Is e.g. Google or Facebook

How does this system get the input? Are Palestinians using IDF tapped cell towers? Or is it possible to use roaming towers for this? Is e.g. Google or Facebook involved on a mobile OS or app level? Maybe backdoors local to the area? It seems like the whole cell phone infrastructure need to be torn down.

jhallenworld 3y ago
My guess: facial recognition. It's easy, if you're a male of fighting age you're a Hamas terrorist. The social media input is terrifying: show any Palestinian sympathies (sentiment analysis) in your posts and you're on the list.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  That does not explain how the IDF know that the victims are at home. You'd more or less need security cameras for that. I guess you can do some sort of common principal component analysis (CPCA) from known Hamas persons to create some sort of cluster based on cell phone location data or call data, somewhat like Spotify does with recommendation from "common songs". I wonder if this might explain why so many journalists are killed, since they probably call Hamas leaders and meet them a lot more than most people in the data set.
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/ https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad...
monocasa 3y ago
> Are Palestinians using IDF tapped cell towers? That's my understanding. That the whole of the Gaza strip is essentially watched under the equivalent of stingrays and all traffic out is monitored with room 641a style taps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
- someotherperson 3y ago
  Hmm, I wonder if that is related to why the use of 3G barely just rolled out and why they still aren't allowed to have 4G. Maybe that would require an upgrade of Stringray-like equipment?
- rightbyte 3y ago
  That is concerning even if you don't have some lunatics trying to kill you right now. IMSI seems like a thing that need to be mitigated. We need a FOSS mobile yesterday. Especially when Elon Musk puts cell towers everywhere and most likely give our locations to Washington and by extension Netanyahu.
aaron695 3y ago
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cad31 3y ago
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jhallenworld 3y ago

My guess: facial recognition. It's easy, if you're a male of fighting age you're a Hamas terrorist. The social media input is terrifying: show any Palestinian sympathies (sentiment analysis) in your posts and you're on the list.

rightbyte 3y ago
That does not explain how the IDF know that the victims are at home. You'd more or less need security cameras for that. I guess you can do some sort of common principal component analysis (CPCA) from known Hamas persons to create some sort of cluster based on cell phone location data or call data, somewhat like Spotify does with recommendation from "common songs". I wonder if this might explain why so many journalists are killed, since they probably call Hamas leaders and meet them a lot more than most people in the data set.
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/ https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad...

monocasa 3y ago

> Are Palestinians using IDF tapped cell towers? That's my understanding. That the whole of the Gaza strip is essentially watched under the equivalent of stingrays and all traffic out is monitored with room 641a style taps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

someotherperson 3y ago
Hmm, I wonder if that is related to why the use of 3G barely just rolled out and why they still aren't allowed to have 4G. Maybe that would require an upgrade of Stringray-like equipment?
rightbyte 3y ago
That is concerning even if you don't have some lunatics trying to kill you right now. IMSI seems like a thing that need to be mitigated. We need a FOSS mobile yesterday. Especially when Elon Musk puts cell towers everywhere and most likely give our locations to Washington and by extension Netanyahu.

aaron695 3y ago

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cad31 3y ago

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