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I imagine you get to tune the probability window of "person is >90% likely a Hamas terrorist" and choose how many innocent people you kill. Who set the window?

I imagine you get to tune the probability window of "person is >90% likely a Hamas terrorist" and choose how many innocent people you kill. Who set the window? "Hamas terrorist" criteria: a male of fighting age, give higher weight to those congregating with others of fighting age. Basically take out a generation of Palestinian men and you're all set. Lovely. >This sentence is horrifically dystopian... "in order to save time and enable the mass production of human targets without hindrances" Reminds me of similar industrial thinking of a certain previous fascist government.

asadalt 3y ago
...and then target them at home along with their entire family.
- Joker_vD 3y ago
  But you see, if you kill just them, then their family would very likely get radicalized because of that, and then you'd have to kill them too, only some time later so it's just more efficient to do it in one fell swoop while you have the chance. Of course it's perfectly ethical, why do you ask?
  - BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
    See i found this old book by this machiavelli guy that sums up our approach perfectly. He was really onto something here.
    - logicchains 3y ago
      Chinese emperors were doing this looong before Machiavelli.
cm2187 3y ago
A war that would only kill 10% civilians would be a massive improvement over any recent conflict.
- ernado 3y ago
  Isn’t it close to Russian-Ukrainian war ratio?
  - A_D_E_P_T 3y ago
    That ratio is by all estimates lower than 10%. UN Estimates, as of March 1st, are "10,675 [civilians] killed, 20,080 wounded" -- on both sides. The number of soldiers killed on both sides (combined) is certainly no less than 100k, and might even exceed 400k. In Gaza, more than 25,000 civilians have already been killed. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145742 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145742 This is a callous, inexcusable massacre. By comparison with the Israelis, the Russians look like "gentle and parfait knights." But the former are presumably on our side, and the latter are our geopolitical opponents. So.
    - dralley 3y ago
      That's not true. The UN themselves state that their numbers for Ukraine are likely severely undercounting the total casualties simply because they don't have any insight into what is going on in occupied territory. They do not give "estimates" for Ukraine, the numbers are what they have been able to confirm. So for you to call that very specific number an "estimate" is incorrect - which should probably have been self-evident. >> The U.N. human rights mission in Ukraine, which has dozens of monitors in the country, said it expects the real toll to be "significantly higher" than the official tally since corroboration work is ongoing. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/civilian-death-toll-ukraine-tops-10000-un-human-rights-office-2023-11-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/civilian-death-toll-ukr... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/more-than-8000-civilians-killed-since-russia-invaded-ukraine-un-2023-02-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/more-than-8000-civilian... There are more than 10,000 fresh graves in the city of Mariupol alone and many of them appear to contain multiple bodies - which was the case in other graves uncovered in places like Kherson and Lyman. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-erasing-mariupol-methodology-f74b28016b8dea4b82811655f14931f2 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-erasing-mariup... The actual civilian death toll is almost certainly in the tens of thousands, not a singular ten thousand. Also consider the death toll caused by the withholding of medical assistance to those who refuse to take Russian citizenship, and the flooding caused by the destruction of the Nova Khakovka dam.
underlipton 3y ago
>Basically take out a generation of Palestinian men and you're all set. Now that we've established that this is horrific, please turn a small portion of your attention to American predictive policing systems (digital and not) and the circumstances that lead to mass incarceration (including the War on Drugs).

asadalt 3y ago

...and then target them at home along with their entire family.

Joker_vD 3y ago
But you see, if you kill just them, then their family would very likely get radicalized because of that, and then you'd have to kill them too, only some time later so it's just more efficient to do it in one fell swoop while you have the chance. Of course it's perfectly ethical, why do you ask?
- BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
  See i found this old book by this machiavelli guy that sums up our approach perfectly. He was really onto something here.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    Chinese emperors were doing this looong before Machiavelli.

cm2187 3y ago

A war that would only kill 10% civilians would be a massive improvement over any recent conflict.

ernado 3y ago
Isn’t it close to Russian-Ukrainian war ratio?
- A_D_E_P_T 3y ago
  That ratio is by all estimates lower than 10%. UN Estimates, as of March 1st, are "10,675 [civilians] killed, 20,080 wounded" -- on both sides. The number of soldiers killed on both sides (combined) is certainly no less than 100k, and might even exceed 400k. In Gaza, more than 25,000 civilians have already been killed. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145742 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145742 This is a callous, inexcusable massacre. By comparison with the Israelis, the Russians look like "gentle and parfait knights." But the former are presumably on our side, and the latter are our geopolitical opponents. So.
  - dralley 3y ago
    That's not true. The UN themselves state that their numbers for Ukraine are likely severely undercounting the total casualties simply because they don't have any insight into what is going on in occupied territory. They do not give "estimates" for Ukraine, the numbers are what they have been able to confirm. So for you to call that very specific number an "estimate" is incorrect - which should probably have been self-evident. >> The U.N. human rights mission in Ukraine, which has dozens of monitors in the country, said it expects the real toll to be "significantly higher" than the official tally since corroboration work is ongoing. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/civilian-death-toll-ukraine-tops-10000-un-human-rights-office-2023-11-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/civilian-death-toll-ukr... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/more-than-8000-civilians-killed-since-russia-invaded-ukraine-un-2023-02-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/more-than-8000-civilian... There are more than 10,000 fresh graves in the city of Mariupol alone and many of them appear to contain multiple bodies - which was the case in other graves uncovered in places like Kherson and Lyman. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-erasing-mariupol-methodology-f74b28016b8dea4b82811655f14931f2 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-erasing-mariup... The actual civilian death toll is almost certainly in the tens of thousands, not a singular ten thousand. Also consider the death toll caused by the withholding of medical assistance to those who refuse to take Russian citizenship, and the flooding caused by the destruction of the Nova Khakovka dam.

underlipton 3y ago

>Basically take out a generation of Palestinian men and you're all set. Now that we've established that this is horrific, please turn a small portion of your attention to American predictive policing systems (digital and not) and the circumstances that lead to mass incarceration (including the War on Drugs).