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Pretty disappointing that Guardian article also got quickly flagged after HN submission

by tsujamin 3y ago

supposemaybe 3y ago
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- tayo42 3y ago
  Don't think that's it. Hn is pretty against flame wars and politics and that's what anything with Isreal Palestine in the title or content will devolve into. Look at how the comments are going in those threads already. It's a mess
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    This is true, but being against flame wars in general means some important topics just don't get discussed, even though they're directly relevant to HN - here there's both a current news angle and a whole bundle of tech questions, from ethics to how one measures the success rate of a new technology.
    - pvg 3y ago
      That's already the case for lots of topics. People flagging this stuff aren't doing it because they think it's not important and they aren't what makes it one of the topics that's difficult to discuss.
bowsamic 3y ago
The flagging on this site is pretty crazy recently
zelphirkalt 3y ago
The feeling I got during the last months here when there are articles about this war is, that there are either many Israelis here flagging anything that makes Israel look bad, or many Americans, who somehow feel allegiance to Israel and think that this ever was about a good cause. On the other hand of course there are also those that jump on any claim that makes Israel look bad. Claims of which there are many. Of which far too many have become pretty evident. Which far too many people do not want to be true and will ignore. So what can one do? I guess keep an open mind and give claims a couple of days to be proven or disproven. Only then judge.
- sph 3y ago
  The astroturfing from pro-Israel parties on social media is incredible, but nothing beats the Reddit situation. I was just browsing /r/ukpolitics just now, and it is mind boggling how many pro-Israel comments come from people that apparently are only commenting about that topic. No activity whatsoever on popular subs, on hobby subs, but instead their entire posting history is composed of months and months of tirelessly defending the state of Israel. Sounds like work, and it seems that many forgot about the Mossad-operated propaganda farms that made the news a decade ago. Most people are so blind to propaganda that these fake personas do not even have to be particularly subtle about it. It would be so easy to identify these paid state actors with some simple code, but I do not want to give ammunition to those other cretins that would use such a tool to target Jewish people as a whole; so I just notice the propaganda and move on.
  - pvarangot 3y ago
    Reddit is a problem only on the popular frontpage subs for people with just-reading or no accounts. If you make an account and read certain subs their algorithm will recommend you the alternate subs that are less astroturfed and the discussion is free from people telling you that there's evidence and reports that don't exist and insult you if you ask for links, or people that say that something says something and post you a link and then you go and it says something else (usually less favorable to Israel). The main subs have been pretty bad with Israel-related news since forever, it's not a new thing, it's that there's more of those news now.
    - sph 3y ago
      /r/ukpolitics is not a main sub, yet they operate on there as well. It is not very hard to have an alert any time anyone posts a topic with the word "Israel" in the title, coming to mass downvote anything remotely critical of their employer. Of course on a main sub like /r/worldnews for example, the astroturfing there is even more noticeable and blatant. You know what makes it even more obvious? How seemingly few Israeli or Jewish people on social media seem to be against the current massacre and/or the Netanyahu government. Of course there are many in the real world, but these dissenting voices are drowned by the massive pro-govt propaganda operation.

Pretty disappointing that Guardian article also got quickly flagged after HN submission

supposemaybe 3y ago

[flagged]

tayo42 3y ago
Don't think that's it. Hn is pretty against flame wars and politics and that's what anything with Isreal Palestine in the title or content will devolve into. Look at how the comments are going in those threads already. It's a mess
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  This is true, but being against flame wars in general means some important topics just don't get discussed, even though they're directly relevant to HN - here there's both a current news angle and a whole bundle of tech questions, from ethics to how one measures the success rate of a new technology.
  - pvg 3y ago
    That's already the case for lots of topics. People flagging this stuff aren't doing it because they think it's not important and they aren't what makes it one of the topics that's difficult to discuss.

bowsamic 3y ago

The flagging on this site is pretty crazy recently

zelphirkalt 3y ago

The feeling I got during the last months here when there are articles about this war is, that there are either many Israelis here flagging anything that makes Israel look bad, or many Americans, who somehow feel allegiance to Israel and think that this ever was about a good cause. On the other hand of course there are also those that jump on any claim that makes Israel look bad. Claims of which there are many. Of which far too many have become pretty evident. Which far too many people do not want to be true and will ignore. So what can one do? I guess keep an open mind and give claims a couple of days to be proven or disproven. Only then judge.

sph 3y ago
The astroturfing from pro-Israel parties on social media is incredible, but nothing beats the Reddit situation. I was just browsing /r/ukpolitics just now, and it is mind boggling how many pro-Israel comments come from people that apparently are only commenting about that topic. No activity whatsoever on popular subs, on hobby subs, but instead their entire posting history is composed of months and months of tirelessly defending the state of Israel. Sounds like work, and it seems that many forgot about the Mossad-operated propaganda farms that made the news a decade ago. Most people are so blind to propaganda that these fake personas do not even have to be particularly subtle about it. It would be so easy to identify these paid state actors with some simple code, but I do not want to give ammunition to those other cretins that would use such a tool to target Jewish people as a whole; so I just notice the propaganda and move on.
- pvarangot 3y ago
  Reddit is a problem only on the popular frontpage subs for people with just-reading or no accounts. If you make an account and read certain subs their algorithm will recommend you the alternate subs that are less astroturfed and the discussion is free from people telling you that there's evidence and reports that don't exist and insult you if you ask for links, or people that say that something says something and post you a link and then you go and it says something else (usually less favorable to Israel). The main subs have been pretty bad with Israel-related news since forever, it's not a new thing, it's that there's more of those news now.
  - sph 3y ago
    /r/ukpolitics is not a main sub, yet they operate on there as well. It is not very hard to have an alert any time anyone posts a topic with the word "Israel" in the title, coming to mass downvote anything remotely critical of their employer. Of course on a main sub like /r/worldnews for example, the astroturfing there is even more noticeable and blatant. You know what makes it even more obvious? How seemingly few Israeli or Jewish people on social media seem to be against the current massacre and/or the Netanyahu government. Of course there are many in the real world, but these dissenting voices are drowned by the massive pro-govt propaganda operation.