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I don't know about kill lists, but AI weapons kinda make sense. No weapons are nice, but if the good guys don't develop AI weapons, the bad guys will. From wh

I don't know about kill lists, but AI weapons kinda make sense. No weapons are nice, but if the good guys don't develop AI weapons, the bad guys will. From what I gather, many US engineers are morally opposed to them. But if China develops them and gets into a war with the US, will Americans be happy to lose knowing that they have the moral high ground?

skidd0 3y ago
Right, just like if the good guys don't develop a novel coronavirus in a lab, the bad guys will and unleash it on the world! Development of tools of death is not a good guy/bad guy thing. The "bad guys" think the "good guys" are bad. I think "killing" is bad, no matter who develops the tools.
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  There are certainly times when killing is justified. Defeating the Axis in WW2 is a great example of this.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians died in strategic bombing campaigns to achieve that outcome. Do the ends justify the means?
    - shepherdjerred 3y ago
      Yes, without shred a doubt or hesitation. Germany and Japan were killing millions of innocents in WW2. Not only that, but those killings were entirely unnecessary. At least with Israel I can give some of the benefit of the doubt that their civilian casualties have some strategic outcome. You cannot say the same of Germany and Japan in WW2. (please be charitable to the above; there is a lot of nuance here; I don't want to explicitly spell it all out. look at my other comments if you want to know my views)
      - actionfromafar 3y ago
        It's just that I fear their strategic outcome will in the end become a net negative, for everyone.
      - mulmen 3y ago
        I believe the Allies could have defeated the Axis with less collateral damage. The ends were admirable. The means are debatable and in some cases regrettable.
hirsin 3y ago
This assumes that AI based weaponry provides value. The case in point here is showing that the only value it provides is a flimsy justification for civilian casualties. We... Don't need more of that in the US, nor would it provide a "good guy" any legitimate value.
atlantic 3y ago
"Good guys" and "bad guys". Where did you learn your ethics, the Cartoon Network?

skidd0 3y ago

Right, just like if the good guys don't develop a novel coronavirus in a lab, the bad guys will and unleash it on the world! Development of tools of death is not a good guy/bad guy thing. The "bad guys" think the "good guys" are bad. I think "killing" is bad, no matter who develops the tools.

shepherdjerred 3y ago
There are certainly times when killing is justified. Defeating the Axis in WW2 is a great example of this.
- mulmen 3y ago
  Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians died in strategic bombing campaigns to achieve that outcome. Do the ends justify the means?
  - shepherdjerred 3y ago
    Yes, without shred a doubt or hesitation. Germany and Japan were killing millions of innocents in WW2. Not only that, but those killings were entirely unnecessary. At least with Israel I can give some of the benefit of the doubt that their civilian casualties have some strategic outcome. You cannot say the same of Germany and Japan in WW2. (please be charitable to the above; there is a lot of nuance here; I don't want to explicitly spell it all out. look at my other comments if you want to know my views)
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      It's just that I fear their strategic outcome will in the end become a net negative, for everyone.
    - mulmen 3y ago
      I believe the Allies could have defeated the Axis with less collateral damage. The ends were admirable. The means are debatable and in some cases regrettable.

hirsin 3y ago

This assumes that AI based weaponry provides value. The case in point here is showing that the only value it provides is a flimsy justification for civilian casualties. We... Don't need more of that in the US, nor would it provide a "good guy" any legitimate value.

atlantic 3y ago

"Good guys" and "bad guys". Where did you learn your ethics, the Cartoon Network?