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The Guardian has this story on the front page also, they were given details about it pre-publishing, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-

The Guardian has this story on the front page also, they were given details about it pre-publishing, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai... And, personally, I think that stories like this are of public interest - while I won’t ask for it directly, I hope the flag is removed and the discussion can happen.

tsujamin 3y ago
Pretty disappointing that Guardian article also got quickly flagged after HN submission
- supposemaybe 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - tayo42 3y ago
    Don't think that's it. Hn is pretty against flame wars and politics and that's what anything with Isreal Palestine in the title or content will devolve into. Look at how the comments are going in those threads already. It's a mess
    - anigbrowl 3y ago
      This is true, but being against flame wars in general means some important topics just don't get discussed, even though they're directly relevant to HN - here there's both a current news angle and a whole bundle of tech questions, from ethics to how one measures the success rate of a new technology.
      - pvg 3y ago
        That's already the case for lots of topics. People flagging this stuff aren't doing it because they think it's not important and they aren't what makes it one of the topics that's difficult to discuss.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  The flagging on this site is pretty crazy recently
- zelphirkalt 3y ago
  The feeling I got during the last months here when there are articles about this war is, that there are either many Israelis here flagging anything that makes Israel look bad, or many Americans, who somehow feel allegiance to Israel and think that this ever was about a good cause. On the other hand of course there are also those that jump on any claim that makes Israel look bad. Claims of which there are many. Of which far too many have become pretty evident. Which far too many people do not want to be true and will ignore. So what can one do? I guess keep an open mind and give claims a couple of days to be proven or disproven. Only then judge.
  - sph 3y ago
    The astroturfing from pro-Israel parties on social media is incredible, but nothing beats the Reddit situation. I was just browsing /r/ukpolitics just now, and it is mind boggling how many pro-Israel comments come from people that apparently are only commenting about that topic. No activity whatsoever on popular subs, on hobby subs, but instead their entire posting history is composed of months and months of tirelessly defending the state of Israel. Sounds like work, and it seems that many forgot about the Mossad-operated propaganda farms that made the news a decade ago. Most people are so blind to propaganda that these fake personas do not even have to be particularly subtle about it. It would be so easy to identify these paid state actors with some simple code, but I do not want to give ammunition to those other cretins that would use such a tool to target Jewish people as a whole; so I just notice the propaganda and move on.
    - pvarangot 3y ago
      Reddit is a problem only on the popular frontpage subs for people with just-reading or no accounts. If you make an account and read certain subs their algorithm will recommend you the alternate subs that are less astroturfed and the discussion is free from people telling you that there's evidence and reports that don't exist and insult you if you ask for links, or people that say that something says something and post you a link and then you go and it says something else (usually less favorable to Israel). The main subs have been pretty bad with Israel-related news since forever, it's not a new thing, it's that there's more of those news now.
JeremyNT 3y ago
This is the now-flagged to death HN thread on the Guardian version [0] I would hope they can be unflagged and merged, this appears to be an important story about a novel use of technology. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39917727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39917727
- ok123456 3y ago
  It's flagged now, too. It's all so tiring.
- dang 3y ago
  Yes. We've merged that thread hither.
  - r721 3y ago
    There's another dupe thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39919109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39919109
    - dang 3y ago
      Thanks, we'll merge that one too.
  - NarcissistDev 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - dang 3y ago
      We don't do that, no. What post are you referring to?
tguvot 3y ago
guardian references 972 as source for report. it's not like it's "the guardian" article
- dang 3y ago
  Yes, that's why we merged those threads into this one. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: Submitters: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Readers might still find it helpful to read both pieces, of course.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    972 this is leftist "blog magazine" with questionably sourced material. while there might be some truth to core claim of automated system (which IDF confirmed that exists), rest of claims probably outcome of "broken phone". But everybody will use it as statement of undeniable fact in order to evolve as usual discussion into "genocidal Israel indiscriminately killing civilians in droves and performs ethnic cleaning and other countless war crimes" and downvote into oblivion everybody who will disagree with it.
    - albumen 3y ago
      What evidence would you accept that would prove the allegations sufficiently to change your mind?
    - cess11 3y ago
      Mainstream israeli television pretty much agrees with the description you put in quotes. It's just that they think it's jolly good and something to be proud of, whereas you seem to disagree with that?
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      It is fairly difficult to be to the right of some of Netanyahu's and Likud's positions, so disdainfully referring to it as some "leftist blog magazine" is more just an attempt to denigrate.
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tsujamin 3y ago

Pretty disappointing that Guardian article also got quickly flagged after HN submission

supposemaybe 3y ago
[flagged]
- tayo42 3y ago
  Don't think that's it. Hn is pretty against flame wars and politics and that's what anything with Isreal Palestine in the title or content will devolve into. Look at how the comments are going in those threads already. It's a mess
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    This is true, but being against flame wars in general means some important topics just don't get discussed, even though they're directly relevant to HN - here there's both a current news angle and a whole bundle of tech questions, from ethics to how one measures the success rate of a new technology.
    - pvg 3y ago
      That's already the case for lots of topics. People flagging this stuff aren't doing it because they think it's not important and they aren't what makes it one of the topics that's difficult to discuss.
bowsamic 3y ago
The flagging on this site is pretty crazy recently
zelphirkalt 3y ago
The feeling I got during the last months here when there are articles about this war is, that there are either many Israelis here flagging anything that makes Israel look bad, or many Americans, who somehow feel allegiance to Israel and think that this ever was about a good cause. On the other hand of course there are also those that jump on any claim that makes Israel look bad. Claims of which there are many. Of which far too many have become pretty evident. Which far too many people do not want to be true and will ignore. So what can one do? I guess keep an open mind and give claims a couple of days to be proven or disproven. Only then judge.
- sph 3y ago
  The astroturfing from pro-Israel parties on social media is incredible, but nothing beats the Reddit situation. I was just browsing /r/ukpolitics just now, and it is mind boggling how many pro-Israel comments come from people that apparently are only commenting about that topic. No activity whatsoever on popular subs, on hobby subs, but instead their entire posting history is composed of months and months of tirelessly defending the state of Israel. Sounds like work, and it seems that many forgot about the Mossad-operated propaganda farms that made the news a decade ago. Most people are so blind to propaganda that these fake personas do not even have to be particularly subtle about it. It would be so easy to identify these paid state actors with some simple code, but I do not want to give ammunition to those other cretins that would use such a tool to target Jewish people as a whole; so I just notice the propaganda and move on.
  - pvarangot 3y ago
    Reddit is a problem only on the popular frontpage subs for people with just-reading or no accounts. If you make an account and read certain subs their algorithm will recommend you the alternate subs that are less astroturfed and the discussion is free from people telling you that there's evidence and reports that don't exist and insult you if you ask for links, or people that say that something says something and post you a link and then you go and it says something else (usually less favorable to Israel). The main subs have been pretty bad with Israel-related news since forever, it's not a new thing, it's that there's more of those news now.

JeremyNT 3y ago

This is the now-flagged to death HN thread on the Guardian version [0] I would hope they can be unflagged and merged, this appears to be an important story about a novel use of technology. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39917727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39917727

ok123456 3y ago
It's flagged now, too. It's all so tiring.
dang 3y ago
Yes. We've merged that thread hither.
- r721 3y ago
  There's another dupe thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39919109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39919109
  - dang 3y ago
    Thanks, we'll merge that one too.
- NarcissistDev 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - dang 3y ago
    We don't do that, no. What post are you referring to?

tguvot 3y ago

guardian references 972 as source for report. it's not like it's "the guardian" article

dang 3y ago
Yes, that's why we merged those threads into this one. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: Submitters: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Readers might still find it helpful to read both pieces, of course.
- tguvot 3y ago
  972 this is leftist "blog magazine" with questionably sourced material. while there might be some truth to core claim of automated system (which IDF confirmed that exists), rest of claims probably outcome of "broken phone". But everybody will use it as statement of undeniable fact in order to evolve as usual discussion into "genocidal Israel indiscriminately killing civilians in droves and performs ethnic cleaning and other countless war crimes" and downvote into oblivion everybody who will disagree with it.
  - albumen 3y ago
    What evidence would you accept that would prove the allegations sufficiently to change your mind?
  - cess11 3y ago
    Mainstream israeli television pretty much agrees with the description you put in quotes. It's just that they think it's jolly good and something to be proud of, whereas you seem to disagree with that?
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    It is fairly difficult to be to the right of some of Netanyahu's and Likud's positions, so disdainfully referring to it as some "leftist blog magazine" is more just an attempt to denigrate.

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