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Ubuntu 24.04 Beta Delayed Due to XZ Nightmare

32 points by LinuxBender 3y ago

darkwater 3y ago
Nice, I have my home laptop already running on 24.04 due to an oversight during an upgrade process. I guess it will re-download and re-install every single package now. :(
- davidgerard 3y ago
  I learnt how to fix problems in apt by running Ubuntu betas in the late 2000s. It was very educational!
resource_waste 3y ago
Serious question, why would someone use a Debian-family Beta? Isnt the entire point to be able to use old hardware for servers? If you wanted something that works with new hardware, wouldn't you use Fedora or similar? I can't imagine the pool of people that pick an outdated distro and then pick the beta version of it.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
  I just like Debian. I don't want to learn a new package manager
- mlyle 3y ago
  Ubuntu is not intended for old hardware. It is intended to be an easy-to-use distribution with decent adaptability to server and desktop use. It's not bleeding edge, but it's not all the way over in the "staid enterprise" category, either. The 24.04 release is the next release to get long-term support (5 years; commercial plans of 10 years). If you're going to stick this on a computer to run a long time, you care what it looks like (LTS releases come out every 2 years), so you might be running a beta to give feedback.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
    Not even just Ubuntu directly. Other distros use Ubuntu as a starting point on which they add customizations.
- netol 3y ago
  Nobody chooses the Beta for production. The Beta is used for testing. And it is not outdated.
- secondcoming 3y ago
  I looked at switching to Debian from Ubuntu, and the stable Debian versions have a lot of old packages versions. Those who want newer package versions will probably use Beta.
- jenny91 3y ago
  Ubuntu devs use ubuntu beta, I would imagine?
- bpfrh 3y ago
  nvm read the wrong message
- pella 3y ago
  For the new CPU (Ryzen 7940HS), having the latest Linux kernel is beneficial. And due to third-party programs, Ubuntu is the most well-supported Linux distribution. Additionally, I am most familiar with it and also use it on the server side; for this reason, I choose Ubuntu.
- soneil 3y ago
  I use Debian on entirely up-to-date servers. I wouldn't call it outdated, I consider it stable, reliable, and trustworthy. But a more interesting point here, is that this issue was caught by someone running debian unstable. So I'm glad someone is using them, even if they don't have your approval.
dheera 3y ago
"Due to the time needed for package rebuilds, the Ubuntu 24.04 beta has been pushed back from 4 April to 11 April." You mean pushed forward. They pushed the event in the forward direction along the time axis.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pushed+forward+vs+pushed+back&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pushed+forward+vs+pushed+back&t=fp... No, people commonly say "pushed back" for moving to a later date. I agree it's a bit like "press" and "depress"
  - saalweachter 3y ago
    Think of it like pushing against someone facing you, in a physical confrontation. The line of play in football, a fencing match. When you press forward, your opponent gets pushed back.
    - jareklupinski 3y ago
      > When you press forward, your opponent gets pushed back. until they push back, then they're advancing towards you
- HPsquared 3y ago
  "Before" means "in front". It's clearer in German, where "vor" is the exact same word. See also use of "before" to mean "in front of" physically. edit: also works if you consider being onboard a ship. The forward parts of the ship pass a given point "before" the "after" parts of the ship.
arprocter 3y ago
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xz-utils/+bug/2059417 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xz-utils/+bug/2059... I thought it seemed like a bit too much of a coincidence the backdoor was pushed out before a new LTS was due
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32 points by LinuxBender 3y ago

Nice, I have my home laptop already running on 24.04 due to an oversight during an upgrade process. I guess it will re-download and re-install every single package now. :(

davidgerard 3y ago
I learnt how to fix problems in apt by running Ubuntu betas in the late 2000s. It was very educational!

resource_waste 3y ago

Serious question, why would someone use a Debian-family Beta? Isnt the entire point to be able to use old hardware for servers? If you wanted something that works with new hardware, wouldn't you use Fedora or similar? I can't imagine the pool of people that pick an outdated distro and then pick the beta version of it.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
I just like Debian. I don't want to learn a new package manager
mlyle 3y ago
Ubuntu is not intended for old hardware. It is intended to be an easy-to-use distribution with decent adaptability to server and desktop use. It's not bleeding edge, but it's not all the way over in the "staid enterprise" category, either. The 24.04 release is the next release to get long-term support (5 years; commercial plans of 10 years). If you're going to stick this on a computer to run a long time, you care what it looks like (LTS releases come out every 2 years), so you might be running a beta to give feedback.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  Not even just Ubuntu directly. Other distros use Ubuntu as a starting point on which they add customizations.
netol 3y ago
Nobody chooses the Beta for production. The Beta is used for testing. And it is not outdated.
secondcoming 3y ago
I looked at switching to Debian from Ubuntu, and the stable Debian versions have a lot of old packages versions. Those who want newer package versions will probably use Beta.
jenny91 3y ago
Ubuntu devs use ubuntu beta, I would imagine?
bpfrh 3y ago
nvm read the wrong message
pella 3y ago
For the new CPU (Ryzen 7940HS), having the latest Linux kernel is beneficial. And due to third-party programs, Ubuntu is the most well-supported Linux distribution. Additionally, I am most familiar with it and also use it on the server side; for this reason, I choose Ubuntu.
soneil 3y ago
I use Debian on entirely up-to-date servers. I wouldn't call it outdated, I consider it stable, reliable, and trustworthy. But a more interesting point here, is that this issue was caught by someone running debian unstable. So I'm glad someone is using them, even if they don't have your approval.

dheera 3y ago

"Due to the time needed for package rebuilds, the Ubuntu 24.04 beta has been pushed back from 4 April to 11 April." You mean pushed forward. They pushed the event in the forward direction along the time axis.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pushed+forward+vs+pushed+back&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pushed+forward+vs+pushed+back&t=fp... No, people commonly say "pushed back" for moving to a later date. I agree it's a bit like "press" and "depress"
- saalweachter 3y ago
  Think of it like pushing against someone facing you, in a physical confrontation. The line of play in football, a fencing match. When you press forward, your opponent gets pushed back.
  - jareklupinski 3y ago
    > When you press forward, your opponent gets pushed back. until they push back, then they're advancing towards you
HPsquared 3y ago
"Before" means "in front". It's clearer in German, where "vor" is the exact same word. See also use of "before" to mean "in front of" physically. edit: also works if you consider being onboard a ship. The forward parts of the ship pass a given point "before" the "after" parts of the ship.

arprocter 3y ago

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xz-utils/+bug/2059417 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xz-utils/+bug/2059... I thought it seemed like a bit too much of a coincidence the backdoor was pushed out before a new LTS was due

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