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Neoliberalism/anarcocapitalism has stoned these corporations, I hope it has arrived the day that we start putting them back in line by punishing well these mono

Neoliberalism/anarcocapitalism has stoned these corporations, I hope it has arrived the day that we start putting them back in line by punishing well these monopolistic practices, anti unions strategies, stock dumping and buybacks, fiscal havens, mass layoffs, etc. it has gone out of hand. Companies can’t just leech out of general population undisturbed

srackey 3y ago
They don’t. These corporations are incredibly popular among the public. Seriously. Look at any polling and you’ll find Amazon, Google, Apple with higher approval ratings than any branch of government (only the military is close), by high double-digit percentages. The average American would be happier with Amazon taking over the feds, than the other way around.
- agos 3y ago
  part of this is exactly because their malfeasance has gone unchecked for so long
- dartos 3y ago
  Maybe Apple, maybe google, but Amazon? I think the average American is aware of the Amazon warehouse worker conditions (and probably don’t care)
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    (Shrug) Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will. They pay well, so people elect to put up with BS like lining up off the clock for security screening. Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me.
    - dartos 3y ago
      > Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will In the US, needing health insurance has kept me at a job against my will and I’m a white collar worker. > Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me. It becomes ur beef if Amazon becomes a government entity as OP was saying in their hypothetical.
      - CamperBob2 3y ago
        Sure, but currently, if you want to talk about people being held against their will, only the government can do that. And no, working at a job you don't like just for the heath insurance coverage does not count as being "held against your will." Check your privilege.
        dartos 3y ago
        But it does. If my choice is either work at a job I don’t like or risk my life by foregoing medical procedures that I need… It’s not really a choice. It’s the same situation as holding a gun to me and saying “work at this job or I’ll shoot you.” This is far from the only way people are forced to keep people working against their will. Threat of homelessness, dependents like children, family members who need medical support, H1B visas, etc. I was saying how, even in a decently paying job, I’m forced to work there under threat of serious medical complications because of the state of healthcare in the US. > Check your privilege I’m not the one making blanket statements about why people work shitty jobs.
        CamperBob2 3y ago
        But it does. No, it doesn't, no matter how many times you assert otherwise. I’m not the one making blanket statements about why people work shitty jobs. Yes, you are.
      - ghaff 3y ago
        I also don't know how common it is but spent the holidays with some friends including an Amazon warehouse worker. They claimed to really like their job and felt they were treated well. Didn't want a desk job so wasn't even interested in being a supervisor. This was in the UK for what it's worth so they have health insurance that's not tied to their job.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  That's in a large part not because people like big tech companies, rather they just hate the government even more than they hate big tech, because the government being so corrupt and ineffective is why the big tech companies are getting away with all the blatant abuses they perpetrate. I think interpreting that as "people would rather Amazon take over the government" is incorrect.
nyokodo 3y ago
> Neoliberalism/anarcocapitalism has stoned these corporations Either you’re implying that neoliberalism is the same as anarchocapitalism, or you’re suggesting that Apple embodies both at once. In the grand argument over how much government we need “neoliberals” would answer “less”, but a long way from answering “none” like the ancaps. Try and find an AnCap who wants government police, a state military, etc and then try and find a neoliberal who doesn’t want them. That is a pretty impactful difference! I know of no evidence to suggest that Apple falls into either camp let alone both at once! Perhaps these are examples of terms that for a certain crowd have become mere epithets used with only superficial understanding. It might also explain the alleged sins you then list off assuming we all would agree they apply.
- tivert 3y ago
  > anarchocapitalism ...is an inherently unserious and self-contradictory idea. It's the Ununoctium of political ideologies: it is so unstable that if ever realized it will decay in a microsecond to something entirely different. Anyone who treats it as something that could be stable and realizable should be mocked or ignored. So, that said, I think the usage should in the GP should just be auto-corrected to "extreme capitalism" and left there.
  - nyokodo 3y ago
    > corrected to "extreme capitalism" and left there Incorrect uses of specific terms shouldn’t be changed to questionable uses of incredibly vague terms unless this is mere activist slogan homework instead of an actual discussion meant to persuade.
    - tivert 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle > "be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept" It works for internet comments, too.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  If you go back to my message, I said: "Neoliberalism/Anarcocapitalism stunned them", I was talking about the political and cultural environment that fostered Apple's and other's attitude from the end of the cold war, that the system didn't have anything to compete against, and got out of hand, until now.
RankingMember 3y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "stoned" in this context (or seemingly putting neoliberalism and anarcho-capitalism on equal footing), but I 100% agree with the rest of your statement. It'd be nice if we could reanimate Jack Welch and Milton Friedman for public spankings, because they're (among a few choice others, including one 1980s U.S. president) a huge part of why things are the way they are right now.

srackey 3y ago

They don’t. These corporations are incredibly popular among the public. Seriously. Look at any polling and you’ll find Amazon, Google, Apple with higher approval ratings than any branch of government (only the military is close), by high double-digit percentages. The average American would be happier with Amazon taking over the feds, than the other way around.

agos 3y ago
part of this is exactly because their malfeasance has gone unchecked for so long
dartos 3y ago
Maybe Apple, maybe google, but Amazon? I think the average American is aware of the Amazon warehouse worker conditions (and probably don’t care)
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  (Shrug) Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will. They pay well, so people elect to put up with BS like lining up off the clock for security screening. Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me.
  - dartos 3y ago
    > Nobody's being held in an Amazon warehouse against their will In the US, needing health insurance has kept me at a job against my will and I’m a white collar worker. > Any beef is between Amazon and their workers, not Amazon and me. It becomes ur beef if Amazon becomes a government entity as OP was saying in their hypothetical.
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      Sure, but currently, if you want to talk about people being held against their will, only the government can do that. And no, working at a job you don't like just for the heath insurance coverage does not count as being "held against your will." Check your privilege.
      - dartos 3y ago
        But it does. If my choice is either work at a job I don’t like or risk my life by foregoing medical procedures that I need… It’s not really a choice. It’s the same situation as holding a gun to me and saying “work at this job or I’ll shoot you.” This is far from the only way people are forced to keep people working against their will. Threat of homelessness, dependents like children, family members who need medical support, H1B visas, etc. I was saying how, even in a decently paying job, I’m forced to work there under threat of serious medical complications because of the state of healthcare in the US. > Check your privilege I’m not the one making blanket statements about why people work shitty jobs.
        CamperBob2 3y ago
        But it does. No, it doesn't, no matter how many times you assert otherwise. I’m not the one making blanket statements about why people work shitty jobs. Yes, you are.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      I also don't know how common it is but spent the holidays with some friends including an Amazon warehouse worker. They claimed to really like their job and felt they were treated well. Didn't want a desk job so wasn't even interested in being a supervisor. This was in the UK for what it's worth so they have health insurance that's not tied to their job.
dotnet00 3y ago
That's in a large part not because people like big tech companies, rather they just hate the government even more than they hate big tech, because the government being so corrupt and ineffective is why the big tech companies are getting away with all the blatant abuses they perpetrate. I think interpreting that as "people would rather Amazon take over the government" is incorrect.

nyokodo 3y ago

> Neoliberalism/anarcocapitalism has stoned these corporations Either you’re implying that neoliberalism is the same as anarchocapitalism, or you’re suggesting that Apple embodies both at once. In the grand argument over how much government we need “neoliberals” would answer “less”, but a long way from answering “none” like the ancaps. Try and find an AnCap who wants government police, a state military, etc and then try and find a neoliberal who doesn’t want them. That is a pretty impactful difference! I know of no evidence to suggest that Apple falls into either camp let alone both at once! Perhaps these are examples of terms that for a certain crowd have become mere epithets used with only superficial understanding. It might also explain the alleged sins you then list off assuming we all would agree they apply.

tivert 3y ago
> anarchocapitalism ...is an inherently unserious and self-contradictory idea. It's the Ununoctium of political ideologies: it is so unstable that if ever realized it will decay in a microsecond to something entirely different. Anyone who treats it as something that could be stable and realizable should be mocked or ignored. So, that said, I think the usage should in the GP should just be auto-corrected to "extreme capitalism" and left there.
- nyokodo 3y ago
  > corrected to "extreme capitalism" and left there Incorrect uses of specific terms shouldn’t be changed to questionable uses of incredibly vague terms unless this is mere activist slogan homework instead of an actual discussion meant to persuade.
  - tivert 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle > "be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept" It works for internet comments, too.
lnxg33k1 3y ago
If you go back to my message, I said: "Neoliberalism/Anarcocapitalism stunned them", I was talking about the political and cultural environment that fostered Apple's and other's attitude from the end of the cold war, that the system didn't have anything to compete against, and got out of hand, until now.

RankingMember 3y ago

I'm not sure what you mean by "stoned" in this context (or seemingly putting neoliberalism and anarcho-capitalism on equal footing), but I 100% agree with the rest of your statement. It'd be nice if we could reanimate Jack Welch and Milton Friedman for public spankings, because they're (among a few choice others, including one 1980s U.S. president) a huge part of why things are the way they are right now.