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Strike That Killed WCK Workers Bears Hallmarks of Israeli Precision Strike

10 points by Qem 3y ago

Qem 3y ago
Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20240403111625/https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/04/02/strike-that-killed-world-central-kitchen-workers-bears-hallmarks-of-israeli-precision-strike/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240403111625/https://www.belli... The way these aid workers were attacked despite their movements being previously coordinated with the IDF is reminiscent of the modus operandi back when the 6-year-old Hind Rajab was killed. In that occasion she was the sole survivor after her family vehicle was hit by tank fire. Red crescent coordinated her rescue with the IDF, which greenlighted the dispatch of an ambulance, just to attack it on arrival. Weeks later the ambulance was found destroyed and the paramedics dead, hit by a tank, near the bodies of the girl and her family. See: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/birds-eye-view/2024/2/22/the-killing-of-6-year-old-hind-rajab https://www.aljazeera.com/program/birds-eye-view/2024/2/22/t... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab
sylware 3y ago
war is a cluster fuck. Mistakes will be made, and you will never know if it was intentional or not, this is why there is the word "collaterals". During WWII, many germans were not nazis. But they got allies bombs on their heads too, because nazis were in charge and way too dangerous for the allies. war is an abomination. expecting "rules" or perfect targetting is just a fantasy, extremely dangerous fantasy.
- runarberg 3y ago
  These strikes bear all the hallmarks of intentional targeting. The IDF isn’t even claiming (for now) that the strikes weren’t intentional, shifting the blame on an unnamed commander[1]. No, I think it is far more likely that Israel is using starvation as a weapon. There is a looming famine in Norther Gaza, Israel is under orders from the ICJ to allow aid to flow to Gaza, but hasn’t complied. These aid workers were getting aid into Gaza, this is against Israel’s strategy of starving Palestinians, so they targeted the aid workers. Eliminating both them, and sending a message to other aid workers that if they try and help starving Palestinians, they might be targeted and killed. 1: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-sources-gaza-aid-workers-killed-because-officers-on-the-ground-do-what-they-want/0000018e-a06e-d9c2-afbe-a8fe319b0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.p...
  - sylware 3y ago
    You will never know if it was intentional or not, unless the IDF wants to admit it. And as I said, expecting "rules" or "0-collaterals" in a war is an extremely dangerous fantasy.
    - Qem 3y ago
      > In order to successfully accomplish a laser guided strike it is necessary for a platform, such as a drone, to “illuminate” the target with a laser while the missile is launched. In order to achieve accurate targeting, platforms which take part in this kind of targeting, such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles or fast jets, are equipped with advanced optics and sensor pods. These are capable of extremely high optical magnification. This is notable because at least one of the vehicles clearly bears the logo of World Central Kitchen on the roof. It is likely these markings would have been visible from above when the strike was carried out, although this depends on the capability of the optic used to track the vehicle.
      - sylware 3y ago
        I don't know the capabilities of such weapon systems, all I see is what we have on TV: a threat was identified as a moving vehicule, usually a bright shape on a black and white IR/thermal monitor. And even if that weapon system was able to perform a high quality visible light magnification... how do know this is not a trick from the opponents?
        dunekid 3y ago
        Apparently all the weapons both during day and night have the capability to kill journalists and aid workers. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videographer-killed-southern-lebanon-2023-10-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videograph... At some point you will need to really have a look at the idea that, it is by design. And working exactly as intended.
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10 points by Qem 3y ago

Qem 3y ago

Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20240403111625/https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/04/02/strike-that-killed-world-central-kitchen-workers-bears-hallmarks-of-israeli-precision-strike/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240403111625/https://www.belli... The way these aid workers were attacked despite their movements being previously coordinated with the IDF is reminiscent of the modus operandi back when the 6-year-old Hind Rajab was killed. In that occasion she was the sole survivor after her family vehicle was hit by tank fire. Red crescent coordinated her rescue with the IDF, which greenlighted the dispatch of an ambulance, just to attack it on arrival. Weeks later the ambulance was found destroyed and the paramedics dead, hit by a tank, near the bodies of the girl and her family. See: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/birds-eye-view/2024/2/22/the-killing-of-6-year-old-hind-rajab https://www.aljazeera.com/program/birds-eye-view/2024/2/22/t... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

sylware 3y ago

war is a cluster fuck. Mistakes will be made, and you will never know if it was intentional or not, this is why there is the word "collaterals". During WWII, many germans were not nazis. But they got allies bombs on their heads too, because nazis were in charge and way too dangerous for the allies. war is an abomination. expecting "rules" or perfect targetting is just a fantasy, extremely dangerous fantasy.

runarberg 3y ago
These strikes bear all the hallmarks of intentional targeting. The IDF isn’t even claiming (for now) that the strikes weren’t intentional, shifting the blame on an unnamed commander[1]. No, I think it is far more likely that Israel is using starvation as a weapon. There is a looming famine in Norther Gaza, Israel is under orders from the ICJ to allow aid to flow to Gaza, but hasn’t complied. These aid workers were getting aid into Gaza, this is against Israel’s strategy of starving Palestinians, so they targeted the aid workers. Eliminating both them, and sending a message to other aid workers that if they try and help starving Palestinians, they might be targeted and killed. 1: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-sources-gaza-aid-workers-killed-because-officers-on-the-ground-do-what-they-want/0000018e-a06e-d9c2-afbe-a8fe319b0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.p...
- sylware 3y ago
  You will never know if it was intentional or not, unless the IDF wants to admit it. And as I said, expecting "rules" or "0-collaterals" in a war is an extremely dangerous fantasy.
  - Qem 3y ago
    > In order to successfully accomplish a laser guided strike it is necessary for a platform, such as a drone, to “illuminate” the target with a laser while the missile is launched. In order to achieve accurate targeting, platforms which take part in this kind of targeting, such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles or fast jets, are equipped with advanced optics and sensor pods. These are capable of extremely high optical magnification. This is notable because at least one of the vehicles clearly bears the logo of World Central Kitchen on the roof. It is likely these markings would have been visible from above when the strike was carried out, although this depends on the capability of the optic used to track the vehicle.
    - sylware 3y ago
      I don't know the capabilities of such weapon systems, all I see is what we have on TV: a threat was identified as a moving vehicule, usually a bright shape on a black and white IR/thermal monitor. And even if that weapon system was able to perform a high quality visible light magnification... how do know this is not a trick from the opponents?
      - dunekid 3y ago
        Apparently all the weapons both during day and night have the capability to kill journalists and aid workers. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videographer-killed-southern-lebanon-2023-10-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videograph... At some point you will need to really have a look at the idea that, it is by design. And working exactly as intended.
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