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It's very impressive. Some of the same tracks are very nice to listen to. However, I can't help but feel like it's missing something. Perhaps the reason we lis

It's very impressive. Some of the same tracks are very nice to listen to. However, I can't help but feel like it's missing something. Perhaps the reason we listen to human made music is to feel what the artist wants us to feel. There are intentions behind every beat and every tone in a human created track. Maybe it's just getting used to listening to AI music.

Jeff_Brown 3y ago
> intentions behind every tone Or at least an interesting process. I didn't appreciate this until I started making tracks myself. Music that's simple to notate, once interpreted by a human, gains more information than could possibly fit in the score. I don't have reason to think AI can't accomplish the same thing eventually, but I haven't seen it happen yet.
emadm 3y ago
This with audio to audio, style transfer & all the elements to come likely put into a comfyUI style format is just the beginning as a inspiration and augmentation tech. Team aren't that interested in Taylor Swift by Drake or whatever but steadily building up tools to customise to musicians own libraries (the open version of this, it tunes super well), plus then have control and composition over it all. Plus making sure the licensing is all good versus other audio tools where they are asking for permission later (which is a very bad idea imo)
MrSkyNet 3y ago
I don't think your reason is valid at all. I have bsaically 0 background knowledge of music and still enjoy it. Do you know the story of the writer and his son? He wrote a book and this book was used at his sons school. The son wrote an analysis of the book and he got a bad grade because the teacher disagreed with the authors sons interpretation of his fathers book. If an artist doesn't exactly tell us what they want us to feel, its nothing we can feel through magic. I liked the cinemactic syncwave, but you know its a demo page. Its not included in a game, movie or something else.
- aurareturn 3y ago
  I don't think you're getting my point. The point is that human created songs have some sort of "soul" to it. I don't know what the reason was that the human artist chose this lyric or this beat. But some thought was put into it. It's why I appreciate human art over AI generated art.
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  - appplication 3y ago
    This same argument will be henceforth made about anything created by AI, and regardless of how ubiquitous and capable AI becomes, it will never be invalidated. AI generated inputs will never have the soul of human created art, by definition. The soul is the intangible and inimitable kernel of emotion buried in the art by virtue of it being created by a human. It’s what separates art from ‘output’. Of course it’s not to say AI content cannot be enjoyed, but I think as a society we will need to be increasingly mindful of cultivating and appreciating this soul wherever we can. Endless scrolling apps have shown us we humans get easily sucked into becoming content consumers, and AI is particularly well poised to generate limitless content. This is uncharted territory for our spongy, dopamine-seeking brains. Self-awareness of our own consumption is more important than ever.
    - t888 3y ago
      It’s also worth pointing out that a lot of current “art” is produced under similar constraints to AI art - for commercial purposes and with algorithmic feedback. It’s easy for people to think ‘this is just as good as a human’, when they are only comparing it to soulless corporate art in the first place.
    - neom 3y ago
      I think that's probably right too. I think it's also important to remember right now most of us are not really artists trying to tell our stories, move people, call to people, whatever, with our art. Most people playing with this stuff right now are techheads faffing around with cool new toys. In the future, I don't know how I'll feel but I suspect when I just want audible distraction, I'll be fine with an infinite loop of AI generated inoffensive tropical house. That won't be the same as seeking out or discovering something a human made, and I don't know I'll care about the tools they used to make it, I'll still be interested to learn why they made it, how they made it, etc. I went to art school in the early 2000s, lived the second wave of analogue to digital change in the motion picture industry. I was somewhat worried about AI in art, these days I'm changing my mind, I think it will be fine/good and will push the meaning of art even further, that's always good. now I'm excited. Humans will always have emotions. Artists will always art. Humans will always seek out other humans emotions thru art.
knighthack 3y ago
You sound like someone who's not a musician. There are ways to 'humanize' music, by use of messing around with rhythms/syncopation, velocity, distortion, etc. Not all of it is intentioned - quite a number of stuff is automated. Yet it feels no less 'human' - you would be a fool to think that human-created music must have "intentions behind every beat and every tone". That's not how it works - as any musician, arranger or composer can attest to. I suspect that AI music can write music far better than even humans, and more consistently than with AI (visual art), given how music tends to be repetitive and more mathematically consistent in that regard.

Jeff_Brown 3y ago

> intentions behind every tone Or at least an interesting process. I didn't appreciate this until I started making tracks myself. Music that's simple to notate, once interpreted by a human, gains more information than could possibly fit in the score. I don't have reason to think AI can't accomplish the same thing eventually, but I haven't seen it happen yet.

emadm 3y ago

This with audio to audio, style transfer & all the elements to come likely put into a comfyUI style format is just the beginning as a inspiration and augmentation tech. Team aren't that interested in Taylor Swift by Drake or whatever but steadily building up tools to customise to musicians own libraries (the open version of this, it tunes super well), plus then have control and composition over it all. Plus making sure the licensing is all good versus other audio tools where they are asking for permission later (which is a very bad idea imo)

MrSkyNet 3y ago

I don't think your reason is valid at all. I have bsaically 0 background knowledge of music and still enjoy it. Do you know the story of the writer and his son? He wrote a book and this book was used at his sons school. The son wrote an analysis of the book and he got a bad grade because the teacher disagreed with the authors sons interpretation of his fathers book. If an artist doesn't exactly tell us what they want us to feel, its nothing we can feel through magic. I liked the cinemactic syncwave, but you know its a demo page. Its not included in a game, movie or something else.

aurareturn 3y ago
I don't think you're getting my point. The point is that human created songs have some sort of "soul" to it. I don't know what the reason was that the human artist chose this lyric or this beat. But some thought was put into it. It's why I appreciate human art over AI generated art.
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- appplication 3y ago
  This same argument will be henceforth made about anything created by AI, and regardless of how ubiquitous and capable AI becomes, it will never be invalidated. AI generated inputs will never have the soul of human created art, by definition. The soul is the intangible and inimitable kernel of emotion buried in the art by virtue of it being created by a human. It’s what separates art from ‘output’. Of course it’s not to say AI content cannot be enjoyed, but I think as a society we will need to be increasingly mindful of cultivating and appreciating this soul wherever we can. Endless scrolling apps have shown us we humans get easily sucked into becoming content consumers, and AI is particularly well poised to generate limitless content. This is uncharted territory for our spongy, dopamine-seeking brains. Self-awareness of our own consumption is more important than ever.
  - t888 3y ago
    It’s also worth pointing out that a lot of current “art” is produced under similar constraints to AI art - for commercial purposes and with algorithmic feedback. It’s easy for people to think ‘this is just as good as a human’, when they are only comparing it to soulless corporate art in the first place.
  - neom 3y ago
    I think that's probably right too. I think it's also important to remember right now most of us are not really artists trying to tell our stories, move people, call to people, whatever, with our art. Most people playing with this stuff right now are techheads faffing around with cool new toys. In the future, I don't know how I'll feel but I suspect when I just want audible distraction, I'll be fine with an infinite loop of AI generated inoffensive tropical house. That won't be the same as seeking out or discovering something a human made, and I don't know I'll care about the tools they used to make it, I'll still be interested to learn why they made it, how they made it, etc. I went to art school in the early 2000s, lived the second wave of analogue to digital change in the motion picture industry. I was somewhat worried about AI in art, these days I'm changing my mind, I think it will be fine/good and will push the meaning of art even further, that's always good. now I'm excited. Humans will always have emotions. Artists will always art. Humans will always seek out other humans emotions thru art.

knighthack 3y ago

You sound like someone who's not a musician. There are ways to 'humanize' music, by use of messing around with rhythms/syncopation, velocity, distortion, etc. Not all of it is intentioned - quite a number of stuff is automated. Yet it feels no less 'human' - you would be a fool to think that human-created music must have "intentions behind every beat and every tone". That's not how it works - as any musician, arranger or composer can attest to. I suspect that AI music can write music far better than even humans, and more consistently than with AI (visual art), given how music tends to be repetitive and more mathematically consistent in that regard.