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To be clear, I fully believe the official statements that this crash was accidental - putting that up front to avoid seeming like I believe any of the nonsense
by swores 3y ago
To be clear, I fully believe the official statements that this crash was accidental - putting that up front to avoid seeming like I believe any of the nonsense conspiracy theories that came out about the accident.
But if you were someone like Russia or Iran who wanted to financially hurt the US (or any other country - and, equally feasible for the CIA or Mossad or whomever to use it as tactic to financially harm any enemy country with a significant port; or a terrorist group wanting to kill people seems less likely but not impossible) - wouldn't you be having that same thought now?
Secret services of various countries surely wouldn't find it hard to plant agents in shipping companies who end up captaining huge container ships around the world if they wanted to, and there's probably enough low-security situations for the boat when docked that gaining physical access (through spies taking engineer jobs or through sneaking onboard at a quiet time) could maybe allow some sort of sabotage equivalent to partially cutting the break lines on a car, which could be planned to cause problems roughly the right number of minutes after a ship leaves port to have the highest chance of impact.
If your goal is hurting a country financially rather than murderously, and you want an illegal way to do it that's completely deniable and even looks accidental, I'm not sure how many better options there would be?
I hope I'm wrong and it wouldn't be as easy as I'm imagining for any major country to place someone they trust (but won't be linked to them / suspected) into a career leading to being a captain on these ships...
(It might not even be limited to state actors - it's not unprecedented for a business executive to be a psychopath willing to commit crimes to boost their business, what's to stop the CEO or owner of a port, or a toll bridge, or a construction company from bribing a ship's captain with $20M dollars to take a port or bridge out of action, even a brief closure could be worth enough money to alternative locations and/or companies hired to fix it to make such a huge amount more money that a huge bribe would still make it wildly profitable. Obviously most companies won't have people specialised in committing this type of crime, so it wouldn't be easy to find the right captain who'd accept a bribe for that, yet alone do it without getting caught, but the captain could maybe create a fake medical emergency to cover their "mistake", etc... hopefully it's such a big criminal risk, and hard enough to do, that there wont be any crossover between the hopefully low number of psychopaths in positions of major corporate power and people who could pull it off if they wanted to.)
- keepamovin 3y agoNo, I completely believe this was just some mechanical Newtonian inadequacy that was accidental. However, I’ve never considered the possibility of sabotage, but now that you mention it holy fuck yes that must be a possible threat vector.
- swores 3y agoOther than hearing and dismissing a few people online suggesting this incident was an act of terrorism, I hadn't really thought further about it until your comment which made me go "oh... yeah, that does sound like it might be extremely feasible for a future attack, fuck."
- keepamovin 3y agoTotes, man. It’s like slow moving rods from god kinetic weapons… next people will figure out how to weaponize glaciers
- lotsofpulp 3y agoA lot of a society’s “wealth” and “quality of life” is due to being able to trust others to act with some minimum level of integrity. Otherwise, the society ends up looking like Somalia or Congo.
- RobotToaster 3y agoMost ports use harbour pilots, so you couldn't just drive a ship into a bridge or other structure and claim it's an accident, but it seems like an easy accident to create (oops, steering broke). If the ship simply refuses to let the pilot board though, so the port authorities know something is wrong, once it's in port and on route, what do you do? Even if you get the military to blow it up you've got a massive sunk hulk blocking your port.