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A BYD Seagull is $10K, a Dacia Spring is €15K, an MG4 £27k, a Model 3 $33k (after rebate). Why would anybody spend more on Prius Prime? It's less car for m
by bryanlarsen 3y ago
A BYD Seagull is $10K, a Dacia Spring is €15K, an MG4 £27k, a Model 3 $33k (after rebate). Why would anybody spend more on Prius Prime? It's less car for more money.
Battery prices are predicted to drop below $70/kWh this year. Electric drive trains are cheaper to build than ICE, HEV or PHEV equivalents even if you include a massive 60kWh battery.
BYD and Tesla both just released horrible Q1 numbers. Both companies have shown they'd rather lower prices than cut production. EV prices are going to drop significantly over the next few months.
non-plugin HEV's make sense. If you can't plug in at home, electric cars are inconvenient and you'd probably run a PHEV on mostly gas anyways, so you might as well save the PHEV premium and just get a standard HEV.
Niche PHEV's make sense. The Ramcharger makes a lot of sense for rural use.
To address your points:
2. An electric car is very good at knowing at knowing what level your battery will be at when you reach your destination. Range anxiety is not a lack of knowledge.
3. Superchargers are now available to Ford & Rivian owners, and will be available to everybody else within the next few months. I've done tens of thousands of kilometers of road trips in an EV, and our EV is a far better road trip vehicle than our gasoline car.
4. The engines and complexity of PHEV's make them cost more then BEV's in 2024.
5. If you don't need >120V to run almost fully electric on a PHEV, you don't need >120V for a BEV either. With 120V you can add 5 miles of range per hour of charging, so can easily cover daily driving with a night of charging. Sure, you can't charge from 0-100 overnight, but how often do you do 300 mile road trips on subsequent days? 120V will let you do 40 miles/day every weekday and 300 miles every weekend with overnight charging. If you every need more than that you can use a supercharger.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago2. An electric car is very good at knowing at knowing what level your battery will be at when you reach your destination. Range anxiety is not a lack of knowledge. The EV cannot predict the future like unexpected detours, sudden change of plans, traffic jams on a hot/cold day where you need to keep the AC/heater running for long periods, and so on. A whole state is a big place and many areas have very sparse charger coverage - it took a hundred years to build up all the gas stations we have now. And its not enough to just build charging stations because the electric generation capacity in many area will also eventually need to be increased (not cheap or easy) as thousands and then millions more EV tap into them for power. This is a very big infrastructure issue and it is a bad idea to increase the EV population faster than the its supporting infrastructure can handle.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoSure, but you know what your margin is for the unexpected. If it says you will have 100km of range at your destination, that's how much range you have for detours etc. 120V plugs are everywhere and far more common than gas stations and work great for those once in a decade type experiences. The infrastructure already exists.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago> unexpected detours, sudden change of plans Applies to ICE cars too > traffic jams That actually reduces battery use > on a hot/cold day That indeed is predicted already