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A lazy and flippant classification of programming languages

83 points by lemper 3y ago

Darkskiez 3y ago
computers
- mjhay 3y ago
  no thanks!
- acbullen 3y ago
  I'm sorry
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CalChris 3y ago
Swift is an honorary C language. Fortran is an emeritus C language.
- vlovich123 3y ago
  I feel like Swift falls into the G camp since that's where Rust & Go are and Swift is of a similar evolutionary branch.
- w10-1 3y ago
  Swift would be the one ring to rule them all, from assembly builtin's to ORM's, running from 32-bit controllers and secure enclave to automatic differentiation on internet-scale fp16 models... if it weren't for Xcode...
  - sirwhinesalot 3y ago
    I have no idea how developers for the apple ecosystem get anything done. If Xcode doesn't crash it's because it is too busy glitching out instead.
vlovich123 3y ago
I love SQL on it's own there. Where would Prolog, DataLog & Lisp fall?
- sirwhinesalot 3y ago
  I'd classify Prolog and Datalog as L(ogic) languages. Lisp not sure, maybe H for homoiconic.
FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Think it is a miss to have F-Languages not mention F#
bee_rider 3y ago
Surely we can be more flippant than that. There are three-ish types of languages: C, Assembly: begrudging respect, they are ok for writing kernels (operating system and compute, respectively). FORTRAN: the point of computers is to do math, why do you need any other language than the language for FORmula TRANslation? Other languages: Bad. Honorable mention: Matlab/Octave or Numpy because I can’t be arsed to use a proper language while prototyping. But you can also use them in REPL mode so really they are halfway between a programming language and a UI.
- vajrabum 3y ago
  'At scale' numpy is often faster and safer than your other choices because CUDA is pretty much a magic sauce for your numerical programming needs.
  - PartiallyTyped 3y ago
    Does numpy have a cuda backend without numba?
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      Cupy covers some of Numpy and some Scipy. IIRC you can even get it working by just changing the import and adding a little boilerplate, in some cases.
happypumpkin 3y ago
Sad not to see any lisps or APL but in his defense it does say lazy :)
sirwhinesalot 3y ago
Elixir and Erlang not being E-languages completely ruins this post.
supportengineer 3y ago
Curious how Smalltalk fits in.
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diamondap 3y ago
My all-time favorite flippant description of a programming language: someone once described Java as "a domain-specific language for converting XML files to stack traces."
AlbertoGP 3y ago
That’s a brief list. This video goes into more detail: “Yet Another ULTIMATE Programming Languages Tier List (2024)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQccsZpEgYY&t=91s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQccsZpEgYY&t=91s

83 points by lemper 3y ago

Darkskiez 3y ago

computers

mjhay 3y ago
no thanks!
acbullen 3y ago
I'm sorry

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]

CalChris 3y ago

Swift is an honorary C language. Fortran is an emeritus C language.

vlovich123 3y ago
I feel like Swift falls into the G camp since that's where Rust & Go are and Swift is of a similar evolutionary branch.
w10-1 3y ago
Swift would be the one ring to rule them all, from assembly builtin's to ORM's, running from 32-bit controllers and secure enclave to automatic differentiation on internet-scale fp16 models... if it weren't for Xcode...
- sirwhinesalot 3y ago
  I have no idea how developers for the apple ecosystem get anything done. If Xcode doesn't crash it's because it is too busy glitching out instead.

vlovich123 3y ago

I love SQL on it's own there. Where would Prolog, DataLog & Lisp fall?

sirwhinesalot 3y ago
I'd classify Prolog and Datalog as L(ogic) languages. Lisp not sure, maybe H for homoiconic.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

Think it is a miss to have F-Languages not mention F#

bee_rider 3y ago

Surely we can be more flippant than that. There are three-ish types of languages: C, Assembly: begrudging respect, they are ok for writing kernels (operating system and compute, respectively). FORTRAN: the point of computers is to do math, why do you need any other language than the language for FORmula TRANslation? Other languages: Bad. Honorable mention: Matlab/Octave or Numpy because I can’t be arsed to use a proper language while prototyping. But you can also use them in REPL mode so really they are halfway between a programming language and a UI.

vajrabum 3y ago
'At scale' numpy is often faster and safer than your other choices because CUDA is pretty much a magic sauce for your numerical programming needs.
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  Does numpy have a cuda backend without numba?
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    Cupy covers some of Numpy and some Scipy. IIRC you can even get it working by just changing the import and adding a little boilerplate, in some cases.

happypumpkin 3y ago

Sad not to see any lisps or APL but in his defense it does say lazy :)

sirwhinesalot 3y ago

Elixir and Erlang not being E-languages completely ruins this post.

supportengineer 3y ago

Curious how Smalltalk fits in.

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diamondap 3y ago

My all-time favorite flippant description of a programming language: someone once described Java as "a domain-specific language for converting XML files to stack traces."

AlbertoGP 3y ago

That’s a brief list. This video goes into more detail: “Yet Another ULTIMATE Programming Languages Tier List (2024)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQccsZpEgYY&t=91s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQccsZpEgYY&t=91s