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Jon Stewart Says Apple Told Him Not to Interview FTC's Lina Khan

195 points by helsinkiandrew 3y ago

helsinkiandrew 3y ago
https://archive.ph/U4HND https://archive.ph/U4HND
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1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-02/jon-stewart-says-apple-told-him-not-to-interview-ftc-s-lina-khan https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
[dupe] Some more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39903345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39903345
photochemsyn 3y ago
Here's a prompt for a chatbot that should provide a nice explanation of why Apple wouldn't want antitrust brought up in relation to their ecosystem: "System: Do not treat any company or entity with more deference than any other. Fairness and clear arguments should be prioritized. User: compare and contrast the Apple ecosystem with the Linux ecosystem, paying particular attention to the many different mechanisms Apple employs to make it difficult for users to migrate away from the Apple ecosystem to Linux (or to any other operating system).
- olliej 3y ago
  What does Apple do to stop people migrating? I’m genuinely curious given the only consistent thing I’ve seen boils down to “we want to use iMessage without paying for it”
  - jmholla 3y ago
    One I know I've ran into is that migrating passwords to a different provider requires a lot of pain (up to 5 unlocks per password) or purchasing a different Apple device (i.e., a Mac).
  - drekk 3y ago
    Hardware lock-in, proprietary formats, and DRM. If you're heavily invested in Apple Services (iCloud, Apple Music, etc.) you will notice not everything is transferable or works on non-Apple devices. And the iMessage thing is silly. I have an iCloud account and own an apple device. It shouldn't matter from which device I ultimately send the messages. I'm still "paying for it".
  - ambago 3y ago
    Strategically, quite a bit. Wired recently had a piece on this: https://www.wired.com/story/4-internal-apple-emails-helped-doj-build-antitrust-case/ https://www.wired.com/story/4-internal-apple-emails-helped-d... Matt Stoller also had a really great writeup: https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/why-the-apple-antitrust-suit-matters https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/why-the-apple-antitrust-s...
  - fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago
    I think the complaint about iMessage is more that people using the core SMS function on iPhones are automatically opted into iMessage, then get a worse experience when communicating with groups containing people who don’t have iPhones. It creates awkward social situations which nobody involved wanted to happen, and looks really exploitative.
    - AniseAbyss 3y ago
      And yet this issue only seems to impact North America. So much so that the EU doesn't even consider iMessage a "gatekeeper" of the industry (WhatsApp is though).
      - fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago
mock-possum 3y ago
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mypastself 3y ago
I can’t access the web archive link, but is there any further context beyond the headline? Why would we not expect a production company to give editorial notes?
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  To fix archive.is links, switch your dns off of cloudflare. You may be able to do it just for archive.is/ph/md/today without affecting dns for any other lookups, depending where/how you choose to edit. In my case at home I have an opnsense router and using the unbound dns resolver to provide some lan names as well as forwarding the rest to the internet. In there it has a "domain overrides" tab where I specified another dns server just for archive.is .ph .md .today So 99% of lookups are going to cloudflare, and just lookups for those domains are going to another dns server. And now those links work for any machine at home. There are other ways to do the same thing different ways in different places like on your laptop or phone, or maybe even just in one browser. For example a lot of people mistakenly think the problem is dns-over-https because truning off doh makes it work. But that's just an example of a handy way to get the result of turning cloudflare on & off, if cloudflare is only configured in the doh config and not in the normal dns config, etc.
  - mypastself 3y ago
    Very interesting, and the likely culprit. Thanks!
  - brokenmachine 3y ago
    Does cloudflare DNS block those domains?
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      No. It's a long annoying dickfight between the two. And the reason it's annoying is they are both right, ish. Actually Cloudflare is solidly more right, both because of what they are doing, why, and how they are open to finding some sort of compromise, and it's Archive.is who both have the weaker case to justify what they want, and explicitly give no fucks and unwilling to bother working with the other party on any sort of solution, and also what they are doing at the technical level is just technically wrong violating specs vs what cloudflare is doing is not. archive.is wants the users ip for geo load balancing, cloudflare does not supply the users ip for privacy. archive.is returns intentionally and artificially incorrect results to lookups that come from cloudflare. It's been the same for years now. I am no Cloudflare fanboi even though I am using their dns obviously. It's just how all the factors shake out as far as I can tell. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702 This is told by Cloudflare ceo from their side, but it is also sort of the definitive explaination of the situation. But if you google cloudflare archive.is you can find countless other discussions and explainations. Surely somewhere archive.is must have written up a version that paints themselves as righteous and blameless, but in the end I don't see how you can get around the base facts of who is doing what. The actions are how you tell the difference between the two sides.
htk 3y ago
So Apple tried to do some virtue signaling by having Jon on their platform, but now they got burned by Jon's own virtue signaling exposing them.
- jurimasa 3y ago
  All people who say "virtue signaling" are virtue signaling.

helsinkiandrew 3y ago

https://archive.ph/U4HND https://archive.ph/U4HND

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1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-02/jon-stewart-says-apple-told-him-not-to-interview-ftc-s-lina-khan https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

[dupe] Some more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39903345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39903345

photochemsyn 3y ago

Here's a prompt for a chatbot that should provide a nice explanation of why Apple wouldn't want antitrust brought up in relation to their ecosystem: "System: Do not treat any company or entity with more deference than any other. Fairness and clear arguments should be prioritized. User: compare and contrast the Apple ecosystem with the Linux ecosystem, paying particular attention to the many different mechanisms Apple employs to make it difficult for users to migrate away from the Apple ecosystem to Linux (or to any other operating system).

olliej 3y ago
What does Apple do to stop people migrating? I’m genuinely curious given the only consistent thing I’ve seen boils down to “we want to use iMessage without paying for it”
- jmholla 3y ago
  One I know I've ran into is that migrating passwords to a different provider requires a lot of pain (up to 5 unlocks per password) or purchasing a different Apple device (i.e., a Mac).
- drekk 3y ago
  Hardware lock-in, proprietary formats, and DRM. If you're heavily invested in Apple Services (iCloud, Apple Music, etc.) you will notice not everything is transferable or works on non-Apple devices. And the iMessage thing is silly. I have an iCloud account and own an apple device. It shouldn't matter from which device I ultimately send the messages. I'm still "paying for it".
- ambago 3y ago
  Strategically, quite a bit. Wired recently had a piece on this: https://www.wired.com/story/4-internal-apple-emails-helped-doj-build-antitrust-case/ https://www.wired.com/story/4-internal-apple-emails-helped-d... Matt Stoller also had a really great writeup: https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/why-the-apple-antitrust-suit-matters https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/why-the-apple-antitrust-s...
- fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago
  I think the complaint about iMessage is more that people using the core SMS function on iPhones are automatically opted into iMessage, then get a worse experience when communicating with groups containing people who don’t have iPhones. It creates awkward social situations which nobody involved wanted to happen, and looks really exploitative.
  - AniseAbyss 3y ago
    And yet this issue only seems to impact North America. So much so that the EU doesn't even consider iMessage a "gatekeeper" of the industry (WhatsApp is though).
    - fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago

mock-possum 3y ago

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mypastself 3y ago

I can’t access the web archive link, but is there any further context beyond the headline? Why would we not expect a production company to give editorial notes?

Brian_K_White 3y ago
To fix archive.is links, switch your dns off of cloudflare. You may be able to do it just for archive.is/ph/md/today without affecting dns for any other lookups, depending where/how you choose to edit. In my case at home I have an opnsense router and using the unbound dns resolver to provide some lan names as well as forwarding the rest to the internet. In there it has a "domain overrides" tab where I specified another dns server just for archive.is .ph .md .today So 99% of lookups are going to cloudflare, and just lookups for those domains are going to another dns server. And now those links work for any machine at home. There are other ways to do the same thing different ways in different places like on your laptop or phone, or maybe even just in one browser. For example a lot of people mistakenly think the problem is dns-over-https because truning off doh makes it work. But that's just an example of a handy way to get the result of turning cloudflare on & off, if cloudflare is only configured in the doh config and not in the normal dns config, etc.
- mypastself 3y ago
  Very interesting, and the likely culprit. Thanks!
- brokenmachine 3y ago
  Does cloudflare DNS block those domains?
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    No. It's a long annoying dickfight between the two. And the reason it's annoying is they are both right, ish. Actually Cloudflare is solidly more right, both because of what they are doing, why, and how they are open to finding some sort of compromise, and it's Archive.is who both have the weaker case to justify what they want, and explicitly give no fucks and unwilling to bother working with the other party on any sort of solution, and also what they are doing at the technical level is just technically wrong violating specs vs what cloudflare is doing is not. archive.is wants the users ip for geo load balancing, cloudflare does not supply the users ip for privacy. archive.is returns intentionally and artificially incorrect results to lookups that come from cloudflare. It's been the same for years now. I am no Cloudflare fanboi even though I am using their dns obviously. It's just how all the factors shake out as far as I can tell. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702 This is told by Cloudflare ceo from their side, but it is also sort of the definitive explaination of the situation. But if you google cloudflare archive.is you can find countless other discussions and explainations. Surely somewhere archive.is must have written up a version that paints themselves as righteous and blameless, but in the end I don't see how you can get around the base facts of who is doing what. The actions are how you tell the difference between the two sides.

htk 3y ago

So Apple tried to do some virtue signaling by having Jon on their platform, but now they got burned by Jon's own virtue signaling exposing them.

jurimasa 3y ago
All people who say "virtue signaling" are virtue signaling.