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Most EU tech regs are designed to rent seek from big tech under the guise of privacy or consumer rights. They never actually apply the laws locally, or they ca

Most EU tech regs are designed to rent seek from big tech under the guise of privacy or consumer rights. They never actually apply the laws locally, or they carve out exceptions. Take the DMA and Spotify, or the AI Act and Mistral, etc. The blind cheering of EU regs is kinda wild to me. The worst tech regulation I've seen is out of the EU, from trying to destroy PKI and E2EE, or trying to break the transformer model, or a thousand other braindead initiatives.

Tainnor 3y ago
> They never actually apply the laws locally, or they carve out exceptions. This is incorrect: https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ https://www.enforcementtracker.com/
vasco 3y ago
I'm in europe and I agree to a certain extent. There are also european representatives that genuinely push for privacy, but I consider the GDPR a joke in its implementation by each local countries institutions, which everyone turns a blind eye toward, unless that local institution can use the GDPR as an excuse to not do something, which they take whenever they can. And then the EU turns around and uses the same regulations to go after Meta or Google Analytics. I'm way more worried that public employees in random government entities can look me up willy nilly than Facebook knowing I bought a pencil on Amazon.
- hcfman 3y ago
  Everything they do is a joke. They also passed into law net neutrality. But you can't see anything that indicates that this is actually a law. And let's not talk about cookies.
snowpid 3y ago
Could you explain the DMA and Spotify? This does not make sense.
- xvector 3y ago
  Spotify is a market maker as per the spirit of the DMA (ask any artist), but they are conveniently excluded from the DMA. The requirements of the DMA are gerrymandered to leave a curious hole in the place where Spotify would be. Mistral noted the AI Act was regulating the transformer model itself, and that the regulations were technically unsustainable and frankly incompetent[1]. The AI Act ended up carving out an exception for Mistral specifically, leaving the technically untenable system in place for American big tech. [1]: https://twitter.com/arthurmensch/status/1725076260827566562?s=20 https://twitter.com/arthurmensch/status/1725076260827566562?...
  - snowpid 3y ago
    " Spotify is a market maker as per the spirit of the DMA (ask any artist), but they are conveniently excluded from the DMA. The requirements of the DMA are gerrymandered to leave a curious hole in the place where Spotify would be. " Could you be more precise how to be market maker? Ask any artist is not a valid explaination. " The AI Act ended up carving out an exception for Mistral specifically, " Though I didnt ask for it please tell us more for the Mistral specific exception. And why it is bad to regulate American tech?
amarcheschi 3y ago
The part about applying laws locally is wrong. Here you can find a list of gdpr related fines throughout all europe: https://gdpr-fines.inplp.com/list/ https://gdpr-fines.inplp.com/list/ (There might be other gdpr fines trackers) As you can see, fines vary from small amounts to huge amounts, depending on the violations and the size of the company. in the first page some organizations are fined as small as 150€ and as big as 18.400.000£, the latter at page 13, involving Marriott international

Tainnor 3y ago

> They never actually apply the laws locally, or they carve out exceptions. This is incorrect: https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

vasco 3y ago

I'm in europe and I agree to a certain extent. There are also european representatives that genuinely push for privacy, but I consider the GDPR a joke in its implementation by each local countries institutions, which everyone turns a blind eye toward, unless that local institution can use the GDPR as an excuse to not do something, which they take whenever they can. And then the EU turns around and uses the same regulations to go after Meta or Google Analytics. I'm way more worried that public employees in random government entities can look me up willy nilly than Facebook knowing I bought a pencil on Amazon.

hcfman 3y ago
Everything they do is a joke. They also passed into law net neutrality. But you can't see anything that indicates that this is actually a law. And let's not talk about cookies.

snowpid 3y ago

Could you explain the DMA and Spotify? This does not make sense.

xvector 3y ago
Spotify is a market maker as per the spirit of the DMA (ask any artist), but they are conveniently excluded from the DMA. The requirements of the DMA are gerrymandered to leave a curious hole in the place where Spotify would be. Mistral noted the AI Act was regulating the transformer model itself, and that the regulations were technically unsustainable and frankly incompetent[1]. The AI Act ended up carving out an exception for Mistral specifically, leaving the technically untenable system in place for American big tech. [1]: https://twitter.com/arthurmensch/status/1725076260827566562?s=20 https://twitter.com/arthurmensch/status/1725076260827566562?...
- snowpid 3y ago
  " Spotify is a market maker as per the spirit of the DMA (ask any artist), but they are conveniently excluded from the DMA. The requirements of the DMA are gerrymandered to leave a curious hole in the place where Spotify would be. " Could you be more precise how to be market maker? Ask any artist is not a valid explaination. " The AI Act ended up carving out an exception for Mistral specifically, " Though I didnt ask for it please tell us more for the Mistral specific exception. And why it is bad to regulate American tech?

amarcheschi 3y ago

The part about applying laws locally is wrong. Here you can find a list of gdpr related fines throughout all europe: https://gdpr-fines.inplp.com/list/ https://gdpr-fines.inplp.com/list/ (There might be other gdpr fines trackers) As you can see, fines vary from small amounts to huge amounts, depending on the violations and the size of the company. in the first page some organizations are fined as small as 150€ and as big as 18.400.000£, the latter at page 13, involving Marriott international