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> I think bans are a pretty terrible idea. It implies that the alternatives aren't good enough. That could be true but we can't say for certain because the mar
by Teever 3y ago
> I think bans are a pretty terrible idea. It implies that the alternatives aren't good enough.
That could be true but we can't say for certain because the market is already so incredibly distorted by oil and gas subsidies.
Automobiles in general are insanely subsidized in the form of state funded road infrastructure.
There's nothing free market about transportation, especially in North America.
- username332211 3y agoCould you give me a description of said subsidies? It's just that the last time I saw a serious study measuring them, the study was pretty much a study on the ways to torture the semantics of the word subsidy. Most countries in the world also implement significant excise taxes on petroleum fuels. The American one is about 5%, while in Europe they can go to 40% excluding VAT.
- patrick451 3y agoOil and gas subsidies don't exist.
- valleyer 3y agoA literal reading of this comment is easily falsifiable[1][2], so can you explain what you mean? [1] <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/climate/tax-breaks-oil-gas-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/climate/tax-breaks-oil-ga...> [2] a few examples under <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/subtitle-A/chapter-1/subchapter-A/part-IV/subpart-D https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/subtitle-A/chapte...>
- Teever 3y agoThat's absurd. Practically every industry gets some form of subsidies, and some much more than others. You're just regurgitating some O&G spin talking point that was put out to counter a recent report that may or may not have over estimated the amount of subsidies to O&G depending on your interpretation of the statistics. But that doesn't mean that O&G subsidies don't exist. How do I know? My salary comes from those subsidies.
- dzhiurgis 3y agoTrucks and buses are subsidised by cars
- beagle3 3y agoRoad infrastructure applies equally to gas powered and EVs
- jjav 3y ago> Automobiles in general are insanely subsidized in the form of state funded road infrastructure. EVs are automobiles too, using the same roads. Even if you're suggesting everyone should move to something non-automobile (bikes?) you still need the roads because society needs things like ambulances, fire trucks, garbage trucks, etc. You can't have a society without roads, they have existed for millenia before cars.