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As I predicted before, bringing the case before the ICJ did not stop the genocide, in fact, since the ruling was issued things have gotten significantly worse,

As I predicted before, bringing the case before the ICJ did not stop the genocide, in fact, since the ruling was issued things have gotten significantly worse, and Israel has doubled down on their genocidal conduct. The defunding of UNWRA for example I did not see coming, but yet it happened, making quite a few nations directly complicit in genocide after the interim ruling of the ICJ. I think we have to face the fact here that the Houthis have the moral high ground on this issue. As far as national rulers go, they are one of very few at least attempting to stop the genocide. This is not dignifying the Houthis, but rather it is a condemnation of the rest of the world. Yes, South Africa’s case for the ICJ was strong, and did bring them into the moral high ground here. But like stated, it was not enough. More is needed, and so far western governments seem to be fine with the genocide unfolding, worsening, etc. That is disgusting.

tptacek 3y ago
The Houthis do not have any kind of moral high ground.
- runarberg 3y ago
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  - tptacek 3y ago
    No, they don't. Everything Israel is doing to Gazans now, the Houthis are doing themselves in Yemen. It's baffling that people can read anything about them and still support them in any way. They are themselves a genocidal movement! There's literally a Dril tweet about this.
    - runarberg 3y ago
      This is an extraordinary claim, and requires extraordinary evidence. Israel is currently killing dozens of Palestinians every single day in direct air strikes, they keep hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced, they are starving hundreds of thousands, they target and kill aid workers trying to help those starving, they target and kill journalists trying to report on the slaughter. They lay siege to and destroy hospitals, and target and kill medical workers. They level entire neighborhoods to the ground, they destroy water infrastructure, telecommunication infrastructure, farmland, etc. You can’t claim that the Houties are doing anything even close to this. But this is besides the point. The Soviet Union was in a genocidal state them selves when they fought and defeated the Nazis. I will argue that they still had the moral high ground over, say, Sweden on the issue of nazism, who aided the Nazis in their genocidal war in Europe. And in fact, most of the world agreed, including the USA and the UK, who helped the Soviet Union in their effort to destroy nazism.
      - tptacek 3y ago
        I can and am claiming that Ansar Allah is doing all of this in Yemen and more. The Houthis have killed an order of magnitude more people than Israel has --- which is saying something, because your opinion of Israel's actions in Gaza is not far from my own. Read up about the Siege of Taiz, which includes a deliberate starvation campaign, for a very recent example. The term "campism" was literally coined to describe the rhetorical habit of claiming that the Soviets held some kind of moral high ground owing to their (supposed) opposition to imperialism. Not for nothing, but the Houthis are closer to the Nazis than they are the Soviets. They're an explicitly race-supremacist movement!
        runarberg 3y ago
        I’m not finding anything about targeting of journalist, targeting of aid workers, targeting of medical workers, siege on hospitals, destruction of hospitals, mass displacement campaigns, and mass starvation campaigns. The closest I can find is the shelling of Al-Thawra hospital, and targeting of residential neighborhoods. You are either exaggerating the crimes of the Houthis or diminishing the crimes of Israel. Look, I believe you when you say the Houthis are an explicitly racist movement with a genocidal and fascistic intent. However, the double standard in the international community when they fail to even attempt to stop (from my viewpoint) an order of magnitude worse crimes by a western aligned state. This is a surefire way of creating—what you call—campism along people like me. If the international community wanted us to stop “dignifying” the Houthis, then they need to take a better moral stance against Israel then the Houthis do. [1]: https://yemeniarchive.org/en/investigations/taizalthawra https://yemeniarchive.org/en/investigations/taizalthawra
        tptacek 3y ago
        If I was an advocate for Israel I don't think I could ask for better ammunition than to have my opposition advocating in favor of the Houthis. I think you should reconsider your take on this. But I also think we don't have much more to discuss on this point, do you?
        3y ago

tptacek 3y ago

The Houthis do not have any kind of moral high ground.

runarberg 3y ago
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- tptacek 3y ago
  No, they don't. Everything Israel is doing to Gazans now, the Houthis are doing themselves in Yemen. It's baffling that people can read anything about them and still support them in any way. They are themselves a genocidal movement! There's literally a Dril tweet about this.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    This is an extraordinary claim, and requires extraordinary evidence. Israel is currently killing dozens of Palestinians every single day in direct air strikes, they keep hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced, they are starving hundreds of thousands, they target and kill aid workers trying to help those starving, they target and kill journalists trying to report on the slaughter. They lay siege to and destroy hospitals, and target and kill medical workers. They level entire neighborhoods to the ground, they destroy water infrastructure, telecommunication infrastructure, farmland, etc. You can’t claim that the Houties are doing anything even close to this. But this is besides the point. The Soviet Union was in a genocidal state them selves when they fought and defeated the Nazis. I will argue that they still had the moral high ground over, say, Sweden on the issue of nazism, who aided the Nazis in their genocidal war in Europe. And in fact, most of the world agreed, including the USA and the UK, who helped the Soviet Union in their effort to destroy nazism.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      I can and am claiming that Ansar Allah is doing all of this in Yemen and more. The Houthis have killed an order of magnitude more people than Israel has --- which is saying something, because your opinion of Israel's actions in Gaza is not far from my own. Read up about the Siege of Taiz, which includes a deliberate starvation campaign, for a very recent example. The term "campism" was literally coined to describe the rhetorical habit of claiming that the Soviets held some kind of moral high ground owing to their (supposed) opposition to imperialism. Not for nothing, but the Houthis are closer to the Nazis than they are the Soviets. They're an explicitly race-supremacist movement!
      - runarberg 3y ago
        I’m not finding anything about targeting of journalist, targeting of aid workers, targeting of medical workers, siege on hospitals, destruction of hospitals, mass displacement campaigns, and mass starvation campaigns. The closest I can find is the shelling of Al-Thawra hospital, and targeting of residential neighborhoods. You are either exaggerating the crimes of the Houthis or diminishing the crimes of Israel. Look, I believe you when you say the Houthis are an explicitly racist movement with a genocidal and fascistic intent. However, the double standard in the international community when they fail to even attempt to stop (from my viewpoint) an order of magnitude worse crimes by a western aligned state. This is a surefire way of creating—what you call—campism along people like me. If the international community wanted us to stop “dignifying” the Houthis, then they need to take a better moral stance against Israel then the Houthis do. [1]: https://yemeniarchive.org/en/investigations/taizalthawra https://yemeniarchive.org/en/investigations/taizalthawra
        tptacek 3y ago
        If I was an advocate for Israel I don't think I could ask for better ammunition than to have my opposition advocating in favor of the Houthis. I think you should reconsider your take on this. But I also think we don't have much more to discuss on this point, do you?
        3y ago