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By what possible reasoning would the DMA forbid things in the phone that have always been standard on all major computer operating systems as well as with Andro

By what possible reasoning would the DMA forbid things in the phone that have always been standard on all major computer operating systems as well as with Android? It’s pretty clear the DMA does not intend for such specious security arguments to allow Apple to avoid the obligation to open up their platform in th EU.

Kon-Peki 3y ago
You can read the DMA yourself. In fact, you should read the DMA yourself and not rely on what EC commissioners say on their social media accounts. The EU court of justice can and will throw their rulings and fines out the window when (not if) they overstep their authority to score popularity points. If Apple were to create an OS from scratch tomorrow, and that OS was subject to the DMA on day 1, they probably would not be allowed to do many of the things that Apple does in iOS. But the DMA can never apply to an OS on day 1 and the DMA cannot force Apple to roll back many of their security features once an OS becomes subject to the DMA. It’s all in the text of the DMA. Read it.
gmueckl 3y ago
There is a provision in the act that gatekeepers can still restrict access if it that required to maintain the platform's security. If Apple will continue blocking on device compilation and other app functionality, they may well have their interpretation of what is and isn't a security measure tested in court. If there are competent lawyers involved, it will likely come down to the question of which rules are technically meaningful vs. present only to stifle competition.
- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  But it obviously isn’t required to maintain security of the platform. Apple manages to run MacOS in a more open fashion. Is the argument that MacOS is illegally insecure or something? If the enforcers of the DMA allow a company to simply build their security policy in a way to avoid the rules enforcing the opening of the platform, then what’s the point of the DMA in the first place? Honestly I don’t think Apple will talk their way out of this. EU regulators seem to be much less forgiving of such shenanigans. It’s obvious the point of the DMA is for Apple to open up their platform. That said only time we’ll tell how this plays out.
  - gmueckl 3y ago
    I tend to agree with you. But things that seem obvious to us techies may not be that obvious to laymen. Also, legal interpetations of a situation may be abstracted a lot from the underlying facts. So if this goes to court, the likelihood of a very bizarre ruling is not 0.

Kon-Peki 3y ago

You can read the DMA yourself. In fact, you should read the DMA yourself and not rely on what EC commissioners say on their social media accounts. The EU court of justice can and will throw their rulings and fines out the window when (not if) they overstep their authority to score popularity points. If Apple were to create an OS from scratch tomorrow, and that OS was subject to the DMA on day 1, they probably would not be allowed to do many of the things that Apple does in iOS. But the DMA can never apply to an OS on day 1 and the DMA cannot force Apple to roll back many of their security features once an OS becomes subject to the DMA. It’s all in the text of the DMA. Read it.

gmueckl 3y ago

There is a provision in the act that gatekeepers can still restrict access if it that required to maintain the platform's security. If Apple will continue blocking on device compilation and other app functionality, they may well have their interpretation of what is and isn't a security measure tested in court. If there are competent lawyers involved, it will likely come down to the question of which rules are technically meaningful vs. present only to stifle competition.

CogitoCogito 3y ago
But it obviously isn’t required to maintain security of the platform. Apple manages to run MacOS in a more open fashion. Is the argument that MacOS is illegally insecure or something? If the enforcers of the DMA allow a company to simply build their security policy in a way to avoid the rules enforcing the opening of the platform, then what’s the point of the DMA in the first place? Honestly I don’t think Apple will talk their way out of this. EU regulators seem to be much less forgiving of such shenanigans. It’s obvious the point of the DMA is for Apple to open up their platform. That said only time we’ll tell how this plays out.
- gmueckl 3y ago
  I tend to agree with you. But things that seem obvious to us techies may not be that obvious to laymen. Also, legal interpetations of a situation may be abstracted a lot from the underlying facts. So if this goes to court, the likelihood of a very bizarre ruling is not 0.