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The fact that there were 40M people in that ecosystem and only one Steve Jobs is exactly the point. Yes it took an environment like that to make it possible, bu

by fl0ki 3y ago

The fact that there were 40M people in that ecosystem and only one Steve Jobs is exactly the point. Yes it took an environment like that to make it possible, but it also took a certain person to make it actually happen. (A deeply flawed person to be sure, but that's not the point here).

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
Nope, it would have happened anyway and the lucky guy would have been Stuart Bojs with his company called "Pear" Humanity as a whole makes progress, individual humans just partecipate in a giant lottery for monetary and recognition allocation. The latter has nothing to do with the former, much like winning a car race on a racetrack has nothing to do with building the track nor the car. Max Verstappen won the Las Vegas GP. The GP , the cars, the track itself are the byproduct of billions of humans at work and every minute of work towards that has approximately the same value, if there's a positive outlier is very minimal and perhaps that person has never been to the track at all or doesn't even care about car racing. This is what happens when there's 8bn of us right now with a total number who ever lived standing at 10-12bn
- fl0ki 3y ago
  If we can credit physicists like Albert Einstein for being the ones to discover fundamental facts about the universe that someone was going to discover sooner or later anyway, we can credit business founders for creating businesses a certain way that weren't necessarily ever going to be created that certain way. They're not the same thing in many ways, but I'd rather err on the side of giving more credit rather than less.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    Had Einstein or Jobs been born in Laos they'd have had very different worries and concerns, and besides what does "credit" even mean practically speaking besides singing the praise which is essentially worthless gossiping anyway. Let's make a practical example in order not to keep talking past each other: If you owned a resturant and they were still alive would you offer them a steak or cancel another reservation to make room for them? I wouldn't , don't care if you are Jesus H. Christ, you gotta pay me.
- thereisnospork 3y ago
  Could other people have been Jobs? Sure, but they weren't. Would other people have done a much worse job of it than Jobs? Yes, very much yes.

by fl0ki 3y ago

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

Nope, it would have happened anyway and the lucky guy would have been Stuart Bojs with his company called "Pear" Humanity as a whole makes progress, individual humans just partecipate in a giant lottery for monetary and recognition allocation. The latter has nothing to do with the former, much like winning a car race on a racetrack has nothing to do with building the track nor the car. Max Verstappen won the Las Vegas GP. The GP , the cars, the track itself are the byproduct of billions of humans at work and every minute of work towards that has approximately the same value, if there's a positive outlier is very minimal and perhaps that person has never been to the track at all or doesn't even care about car racing. This is what happens when there's 8bn of us right now with a total number who ever lived standing at 10-12bn

fl0ki 3y ago
If we can credit physicists like Albert Einstein for being the ones to discover fundamental facts about the universe that someone was going to discover sooner or later anyway, we can credit business founders for creating businesses a certain way that weren't necessarily ever going to be created that certain way. They're not the same thing in many ways, but I'd rather err on the side of giving more credit rather than less.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  Had Einstein or Jobs been born in Laos they'd have had very different worries and concerns, and besides what does "credit" even mean practically speaking besides singing the praise which is essentially worthless gossiping anyway. Let's make a practical example in order not to keep talking past each other: If you owned a resturant and they were still alive would you offer them a steak or cancel another reservation to make room for them? I wouldn't , don't care if you are Jesus H. Christ, you gotta pay me.
thereisnospork 3y ago
Could other people have been Jobs? Sure, but they weren't. Would other people have done a much worse job of it than Jobs? Yes, very much yes.