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Some of the people with credible claims are professionals with many years of experience. It's happened at several other locations and the new evidence shows GR

by ck2 3y ago

Some of the people with credible claims are professionals with many years of experience. It's happened at several other locations and the new evidence shows GRU was in the area at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome My personal theory is people were easily "tagged" somehow like the famous umbrella tap attack, maybe a laced drink, and then the area they were known to be in was radiated with a specially calibrated radio wave. Without an obvious poison these people would be written off, yet they would be too sick to function, perfect sabotage without being credited.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
I’m struggling with motivation. You don’t need to attack a superpower’s diplomats to test a weapon. What were we doing in Havana that Moscow cared so much about?
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  You can read about that in the article. Most of the affected personnel had done work with Ukraine / Georgia.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Most of the affected personnel had done work with Ukraine / Georgia Sending a message with a clandestine attack vector doesn't make much more sense. Unless they were actively doing work for Ukraine or Georgia from Havana. Again, to the extent that attacking a superpower's diplomats makes sense. Note that I'm not casting doubt on the findings. Just struggling with the risk-reward calculus.
    - EA-3167 3y ago
      I think it helps to recall that the same people who allegedly ordered this were the same people who thought that the risk-reward balance was in FAVOR of a second, all-out invasion of Ukraine.
    - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
      It may not be sending a message. It may be degrading the opponent's capabilities to oppose what Russia is doing.
    - derbOac 3y ago
      I'm not sure what to make of this either. The public medical reports are suggesting psychogenic illness, which does happen. You'd also think something would show up from public medical evaluations. But these recent reports are saying there's information that isn't being made public, and I know from my own professional life that certain kinds of brain injury are notoriously difficult to detect on brain scans. And then in one of these recent stories one of the people said their phone battery exploded or burst open? As for the benefit cost analysis, a CBS piece said this: "Edgreen said the officers targeted were top performers. 'And consistently there was a Russia nexus," he said. 'There was some angle where they had worked against Russia, focused on Russia, and done extremely well.' " One of the reports said one of the FBI agents was interviewing a Russian agent repeatedly over a long period of time. Also, there's been a lot of suspicious deaths of foreign diplomats with ties to Russia in the last several years. Anyway, I'm kind of scratching my head about this as well and am not sure what to think, but it doesn't seem implausible to me in the very least, at least from a political-intelligence-security angle.

by ck2 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

I’m struggling with motivation. You don’t need to attack a superpower’s diplomats to test a weapon. What were we doing in Havana that Moscow cared so much about?

The_Colonel 3y ago
You can read about that in the article. Most of the affected personnel had done work with Ukraine / Georgia.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Most of the affected personnel had done work with Ukraine / Georgia Sending a message with a clandestine attack vector doesn't make much more sense. Unless they were actively doing work for Ukraine or Georgia from Havana. Again, to the extent that attacking a superpower's diplomats makes sense. Note that I'm not casting doubt on the findings. Just struggling with the risk-reward calculus.
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    I think it helps to recall that the same people who allegedly ordered this were the same people who thought that the risk-reward balance was in FAVOR of a second, all-out invasion of Ukraine.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    It may not be sending a message. It may be degrading the opponent's capabilities to oppose what Russia is doing.
  - derbOac 3y ago
    I'm not sure what to make of this either. The public medical reports are suggesting psychogenic illness, which does happen. You'd also think something would show up from public medical evaluations. But these recent reports are saying there's information that isn't being made public, and I know from my own professional life that certain kinds of brain injury are notoriously difficult to detect on brain scans. And then in one of these recent stories one of the people said their phone battery exploded or burst open? As for the benefit cost analysis, a CBS piece said this: "Edgreen said the officers targeted were top performers. 'And consistently there was a Russia nexus," he said. 'There was some angle where they had worked against Russia, focused on Russia, and done extremely well.' " One of the reports said one of the FBI agents was interviewing a Russian agent repeatedly over a long period of time. Also, there's been a lot of suspicious deaths of foreign diplomats with ties to Russia in the last several years. Anyway, I'm kind of scratching my head about this as well and am not sure what to think, but it doesn't seem implausible to me in the very least, at least from a political-intelligence-security angle.