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This really is targeted at the Canadian HN readers per the Canadian job market and the extraordinary abuse that is happening right in the open. New grads in Ca

This really is targeted at the Canadian HN readers per the Canadian job market and the extraordinary abuse that is happening right in the open. New grads in Canada are having an incredibly rough time finding jobs. Canada is absolutely flooded with new arrivals (this isn't some sort of racist "some people look different!" appeal because of a few migrants, but instead is a factual observation that Canada has seen ridiculous levels of migration, hitting 3.2% population growth YoY. Population trap type numbers). If you list a job in Canada, as I frequently do, you will get thousands to tens of thousands of applicants. Canada is awash in jobless software developers, particularly in generalized roles, and finding good candidates requires a lot of winnowing through garbage, but they are there. So it's interesting that this "employer" -- whose only address in Canada seems to be the lawyers that did the provincial corporation filing -- claims that there is so little talent in Canada that they have submitted an LMIA submission to the government. An LMIA is a claim that there are no talents for a given need so they need to bring in someone that the employer selected to Canada. I guess there are no suitable developers in Canada with their hilarious mix of needs with the acclaimed 7 - 12 months of experience from their 1-2 year education program. It's almost like it's written to be exclusionary. This program is absolutely rife with fraud. The fact that there are zero credible checks -- note that to apply to this job you email them directly, so the government does not see the number or quality of applicants -- means that the program has widespread reports of employers using it to bring friends or family into the country, or third parties in return for a kickback of some sort. There are rampant reports of individuals paying tens of thousands to be "selected" for a LMIA position. This is happening throughout Canada. And it is disgusting.

itsoktocry 3y ago
>This program is absolutely rife with fraud. Keep exposing it, just like you did here. I have faith that our government will react, eventually. This stuff is crazy.
- morkalork 3y ago
  I doubt it.
RobertDeNiro 3y ago
We just hit 7.5% of our population being Temporary Foreign Workers. The government claims they want to bring that back down to 5%, but even that seems too high.
- winter_blue 3y ago
  Who decides what % is high? In the UAE and Qatar close to 90% of the population are foreign workers on visas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_immigrant_and_emigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_im... There was a recent vote in the Parliament of Canada on the topic of immigration rates (and in particular about the Century Initiative goal of raising Canada's population to 100 million): https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=party https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=par... -- 170 members of the Canadian Parliament supported high immigration, and 138 were opposed to it. It of course fell along partisan lines -- with 100% of members of the Liberal, NDP, and Green parties supporting high immigration, and 100% of the Conservative and BQ parties opposing high immigration. Rate of immigration is a subjective matter, and any attempt to misrepresent it as being objective is dishonest; since it entirely depends on political opinion. A white nationalist likely sees multi-cultural immigration as terrible (unless those immigrants are all white), whereas many liberal/progressive people have a fairly welcoming attitude towards immigrants (something which is reflected in Canadian federal immigration policy).
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    > There was a recent vote in the Parliament of Canada on the topic of immigration rates I think you're misinterpreting that vote. The BQ (a separatist party that often fields antagonistic type bills just to be a nuisance) tabled a bill that claimed that the government was following the Century Initiative. Conservatives went along because it's kind of hilarious -- despite the fact that Conservatives are one of the prime backers of the CI -- and Liberals and NDP went against because they weren't giving the bill credibility. It was not serious. It was not a referendum on immigration levels. And FWIW, Canada's intake rates massively exceed the goals of the Century Initiative. The CI would be positively responsible compared to what Canada has been doing. > Rate of immigration is a subjective matter Canada is objectively suffering extreme problems because of mass migration. The term "population trap" is an objective measure when growth rate is deleterious, and Canada is well within those destructive bounds. Ignoring tiny countries like the UAE and the fact that they have a gigantic subservient class of Indian worker slaves, immigration needs to work for the host country. To be beneficial for the host country, its culture, its people. Canada's immigration rate traditionally worked great. We got the best of the best, enriching the fabric of Canada. A diverse collection of peoples that came and made Canada better. ~0.5% growth idea, sustainable, and beneficial. 3.2% is absolutely disgusting, and hurts everyone. > a white nationalist sees immigration as terrible ... many liberal/progressive people have a fairly welcoming attitude towards immigrants Yeah, this false dichotomy worked for a while, but it no longer carries weight. For years the government pushed this line that one could only have a problem with immigration rates if they're a racist. It's played out. Mass migration is one of the most destructive forces for progressive policies. Ignoring that many migrants bring hyper-conservatism with them -- and at a high enough intake rate they don't shed those beliefs as quickly -- Canada is basically boot-stomping the working poor and unemployed of Canada. They can't find housing. They can't find jobs. As the percolation happens social services is going to be threadbare because housing costs are increasing by multiples, where any is even available.
randomdata 3y ago
> If you list a job in Canada, as I frequently do, you will get thousands to tens of thousands of applicants. Ha. Maybe in Toronto. Out here in rural Canada, I had five people apply to the job I posted a few weeks ago. Total. Which was actually more than I expected! Last year you couldn't get a single person to apply. Curiously, none of them immigrants. I hired them all and could still use more, but it's hard finding anyone. Not that there is much surprise. The people not living where the jobs are has been an ongoing problem in Canada for decades. As a result, not having enough workers and having too many workers are both true at the same time.
calvinmorrison 3y ago
I don't know how it works in Canada but the H1B crap is setting us up for failure. 1. Claim you cant find anyone 2. Hire offshore 3. Now there's no demand for juniors 4. Now you literally can't find anyone 5. continue hiring offshore because that's your only option 6. ???
plow-tycoon 3y ago
Weird that you're downvoted, I was just nodding along in agreement, although there is some nuance like not being able to find someone on-site in Abbotsford. That said, the Job Bank has always been this ridiculous, absolute embarrassment. I've seen other posts on there that are straight up fraud in the sense that someone has submitted a fake posting for another company, leaving an obviously fake email as the contact point. (To which I notified the company) If you're hiring a frontend or generalist/Swift/Python person, I've been out of work for nearly a year now in Vancouver and am spending all day today applying to random general labor work since the software pursuit has stopped paying off; I don't know ML but am curious. Can find my info in my most recent "Who wants to be hired post". Willing to be on-site or meet up for coffee.
barbazoo 3y ago
> So it's interesting that this "employer" -- whose only address in Canada seems to be the lawyers that did the provincial corporation filing -- claims that there is so little talent in Canada that they have submitted an LMIA submission to the government. An LMIA is a claim that there are no talents for a given need so they need to bring in someone that the employer selected to Canada. Sorry, how do you know that the company has submitted an LMIA? Just by the presence of that job on jobbank.gc.ca?
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  There is a little info panel in the middle of the listing noting that the employer has submitted an LMIA request for this position.
lm411 3y ago
LMIA fraud is massive. As with pretty much everything related to our immigration system. Darshan Maharaja posts often about these kinds of things - https://twitter.com/theophanesrex https://twitter.com/theophanesrex. Smart guy all around. I'd be amazed if even 30% of visa and PR applications to Canada are legitimate and free of fraud. Not even mentioning asylum seekers and refugees. My wife immigrated to Canada just before Covid through spousal PR sponsorship. Although I'm an honest guy, with so much fraud, I kind of feel like an idiot for wasting so much time and money going through the proper channels when everyone else is abusing the system. Regardless, with the state of this country right now, we are planning to leave again. The reasons we moved to Canada to begin with are simply not the reality of 2024 Canada. It has been a massive drop in quality of life for us.
- barbazoo 3y ago
  > I'd be amazed if even 30% of visa and PR applications to Canada are legitimate and free of fraud. This includes a whole lot of immigration that has nothing to do with the LMIA system. What other fraud is there specifically?
  - lm411 3y ago
    Misrepresentation, marriage fraud, fake documentation (e.g. qualifications), fake schools / colleges, fake family members, fake businesses for LMIA, you name it. It's all happening. Everyone is gaming the system. With such a sheer number of applications we simply don't have the capacity to do much verification. In many cases, applicants going through a broker don't even know they are committing the fraud.
    - barbazoo 3y ago
      > Misrepresentation, marriage fraud, fake documentation (e.g. qualifications), fake schools / colleges, fake family members, fake businesses for LMIA, you name it. It's all happening. Everyone is gaming the system. Having gone through the system, TFW->Provincial nomination->PR->Citizen, I don't know, how much of that is actually happening in large enough numbers to have a negative effect. Obviously some game the system but I didn't and neither did many others. It's easy to claim, very hard to back up with data. > With such a sheer number of applications we simply don't have the capacity to do much verification. Do you have a source of that? In my experience it just leads to longer processing times, not being waived through.

itsoktocry 3y ago

>This program is absolutely rife with fraud. Keep exposing it, just like you did here. I have faith that our government will react, eventually. This stuff is crazy.

morkalork 3y ago
I doubt it.

RobertDeNiro 3y ago

We just hit 7.5% of our population being Temporary Foreign Workers. The government claims they want to bring that back down to 5%, but even that seems too high.

winter_blue 3y ago
Who decides what % is high? In the UAE and Qatar close to 90% of the population are foreign workers on visas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_immigrant_and_emigrant_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_im... There was a recent vote in the Parliament of Canada on the topic of immigration rates (and in particular about the Century Initiative goal of raising Canada's population to 100 million): https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=party https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=par... -- 170 members of the Canadian Parliament supported high immigration, and 138 were opposed to it. It of course fell along partisan lines -- with 100% of members of the Liberal, NDP, and Green parties supporting high immigration, and 100% of the Conservative and BQ parties opposing high immigration. Rate of immigration is a subjective matter, and any attempt to misrepresent it as being objective is dishonest; since it entirely depends on political opinion. A white nationalist likely sees multi-cultural immigration as terrible (unless those immigrants are all white), whereas many liberal/progressive people have a fairly welcoming attitude towards immigrants (something which is reflected in Canadian federal immigration policy).
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  > There was a recent vote in the Parliament of Canada on the topic of immigration rates I think you're misinterpreting that vote. The BQ (a separatist party that often fields antagonistic type bills just to be a nuisance) tabled a bill that claimed that the government was following the Century Initiative. Conservatives went along because it's kind of hilarious -- despite the fact that Conservatives are one of the prime backers of the CI -- and Liberals and NDP went against because they weren't giving the bill credibility. It was not serious. It was not a referendum on immigration levels. And FWIW, Canada's intake rates massively exceed the goals of the Century Initiative. The CI would be positively responsible compared to what Canada has been doing. > Rate of immigration is a subjective matter Canada is objectively suffering extreme problems because of mass migration. The term "population trap" is an objective measure when growth rate is deleterious, and Canada is well within those destructive bounds. Ignoring tiny countries like the UAE and the fact that they have a gigantic subservient class of Indian worker slaves, immigration needs to work for the host country. To be beneficial for the host country, its culture, its people. Canada's immigration rate traditionally worked great. We got the best of the best, enriching the fabric of Canada. A diverse collection of peoples that came and made Canada better. ~0.5% growth idea, sustainable, and beneficial. 3.2% is absolutely disgusting, and hurts everyone. > a white nationalist sees immigration as terrible ... many liberal/progressive people have a fairly welcoming attitude towards immigrants Yeah, this false dichotomy worked for a while, but it no longer carries weight. For years the government pushed this line that one could only have a problem with immigration rates if they're a racist. It's played out. Mass migration is one of the most destructive forces for progressive policies. Ignoring that many migrants bring hyper-conservatism with them -- and at a high enough intake rate they don't shed those beliefs as quickly -- Canada is basically boot-stomping the working poor and unemployed of Canada. They can't find housing. They can't find jobs. As the percolation happens social services is going to be threadbare because housing costs are increasing by multiples, where any is even available.

randomdata 3y ago

> If you list a job in Canada, as I frequently do, you will get thousands to tens of thousands of applicants. Ha. Maybe in Toronto. Out here in rural Canada, I had five people apply to the job I posted a few weeks ago. Total. Which was actually more than I expected! Last year you couldn't get a single person to apply. Curiously, none of them immigrants. I hired them all and could still use more, but it's hard finding anyone. Not that there is much surprise. The people not living where the jobs are has been an ongoing problem in Canada for decades. As a result, not having enough workers and having too many workers are both true at the same time.

calvinmorrison 3y ago

I don't know how it works in Canada but the H1B crap is setting us up for failure. 1. Claim you cant find anyone 2. Hire offshore 3. Now there's no demand for juniors 4. Now you literally can't find anyone 5. continue hiring offshore because that's your only option 6. ???

plow-tycoon 3y ago

Weird that you're downvoted, I was just nodding along in agreement, although there is some nuance like not being able to find someone on-site in Abbotsford. That said, the Job Bank has always been this ridiculous, absolute embarrassment. I've seen other posts on there that are straight up fraud in the sense that someone has submitted a fake posting for another company, leaving an obviously fake email as the contact point. (To which I notified the company) If you're hiring a frontend or generalist/Swift/Python person, I've been out of work for nearly a year now in Vancouver and am spending all day today applying to random general labor work since the software pursuit has stopped paying off; I don't know ML but am curious. Can find my info in my most recent "Who wants to be hired post". Willing to be on-site or meet up for coffee.

barbazoo 3y ago

> So it's interesting that this "employer" -- whose only address in Canada seems to be the lawyers that did the provincial corporation filing -- claims that there is so little talent in Canada that they have submitted an LMIA submission to the government. An LMIA is a claim that there are no talents for a given need so they need to bring in someone that the employer selected to Canada. Sorry, how do you know that the company has submitted an LMIA? Just by the presence of that job on jobbank.gc.ca?

llm_nerd 3y ago
There is a little info panel in the middle of the listing noting that the employer has submitted an LMIA request for this position.

lm411 3y ago

LMIA fraud is massive. As with pretty much everything related to our immigration system. Darshan Maharaja posts often about these kinds of things - https://twitter.com/theophanesrex https://twitter.com/theophanesrex. Smart guy all around. I'd be amazed if even 30% of visa and PR applications to Canada are legitimate and free of fraud. Not even mentioning asylum seekers and refugees. My wife immigrated to Canada just before Covid through spousal PR sponsorship. Although I'm an honest guy, with so much fraud, I kind of feel like an idiot for wasting so much time and money going through the proper channels when everyone else is abusing the system. Regardless, with the state of this country right now, we are planning to leave again. The reasons we moved to Canada to begin with are simply not the reality of 2024 Canada. It has been a massive drop in quality of life for us.

barbazoo 3y ago
> I'd be amazed if even 30% of visa and PR applications to Canada are legitimate and free of fraud. This includes a whole lot of immigration that has nothing to do with the LMIA system. What other fraud is there specifically?
- lm411 3y ago
  Misrepresentation, marriage fraud, fake documentation (e.g. qualifications), fake schools / colleges, fake family members, fake businesses for LMIA, you name it. It's all happening. Everyone is gaming the system. With such a sheer number of applications we simply don't have the capacity to do much verification. In many cases, applicants going through a broker don't even know they are committing the fraud.
  - barbazoo 3y ago
    > Misrepresentation, marriage fraud, fake documentation (e.g. qualifications), fake schools / colleges, fake family members, fake businesses for LMIA, you name it. It's all happening. Everyone is gaming the system. Having gone through the system, TFW->Provincial nomination->PR->Citizen, I don't know, how much of that is actually happening in large enough numbers to have a negative effect. Obviously some game the system but I didn't and neither did many others. It's easy to claim, very hard to back up with data. > With such a sheer number of applications we simply don't have the capacity to do much verification. Do you have a source of that? In my experience it just leads to longer processing times, not being waived through.