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I think your sentiment might be rooted in never having worked with a good product manager. What Jobs described is what I expect from a good PM. However, frequen
by ajmurmann 3y ago
I think your sentiment might be rooted in never having worked with a good product manager. What Jobs described is what I expect from a good PM. However, frequently PMs have so little understating how the product they manage works and is built and aren't that amazing at their own core skill set that developers either must push them up a hill or make these decisions instead of the PM turning the product manager into more of a project manager or mouth piece at best. It's a real shame because a good product manager can provide exactly the value Jobs is describing.
- treflop 3y agoA good product manager is key. I don’t think people realize how shitty everything you make is. It’s only through continuous improvement and iterations that it becomes really nice. Unless it’s something you’ve done many times before, if no one is pointing out problems with your design in the first version, it’s probably hot garbage.
- htrp 3y agoproject manager (pm) is the bare minimum that Product Manager (PM) has to do. Unfortunately, a lot of PM's only check the project manager box.
- ajmurmann 3y agoI'm not sure about the pm part. They certainly have to worry about it, but scheduling and delivery logistics to a large degree need to be a shared responsibility between product and engineering leadership. This is where the role responsibilities can get quite messy.