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Funny, I'm considering buying our second Tesla (to replace my BMW) because the company _is_ run by Musk. I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people sho

by ein0p 3y ago

Funny, I'm considering buying our second Tesla (to replace my BMW) because the company _is_ run by Musk. I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say, and find his direct communication style refreshing, even though I disagree with some of his opinions. And that's before we even bring up several other areas where he's successfully doing civilizationally impactful work.

rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
>even though I disagree with some of his opinions Let me guess, nothing that's part his core believes?
- ein0p 3y ago
  Yes, I do believe our species needs to be multiplanetary, internet should be available everywhere, electric cars need to take over, and paralyzed people should be able to walk again.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    We share the same goals (except for electric cars needing to take over - they do, but the real issue is that public mass transit needs to take over!), but the methods / the lengths Elon Musk is willing to go to in pursuit of those goals are disturbing to many people.
    - ein0p 3y ago
      I don't think public mass transit will take over in the US in my lifetime, outside major cities. We're just too spread out, and a lot of us, especially people with kids, like it that way. Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.
      - ericmay 3y ago
        > Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child. Kind of a confusing statement. Sure the current state doesn't work in the US, which is because it isn't designed to work and there is little to no investment or money spent on public transit. You can know that this is factually true by looking at your state department of highways budgets and examining how funds are allocated. It does work in other countries, including countries that have parents with children. There is no logistical or cost-based reason it won't or couldn't work in the US. Nothing special about "spread out" - which is another choice we intentionally make or the size of the country. It's also mostly untrue since most of the population in the US lives in urban areas. Suburban areas can just continue to grow as is and become more dense while preserving SFHs.
        ein0p 3y ago
        _Transit_ is not what needs to change first. Infrastructure (stores, schools, daycares, hospitals, offices) needs to change before mass transit is even feasible. And that needs to be built out over an extended period of time, like 15-20 years, to have good coverage. This is particularly hard to grasp for someone who has never lived in Europe, which I have. So we “invest” in mass transit which (at least in my neck of the woods) almost nobody uses because it’s 10 minute drive to the grocery store and 15 minute drive to school, and both of those numbers triple or quadruple without a car. And now consider your kids extracurriculars, like swim team or something. And now consider having 2-3 kids. Cars are here to stay. To refrain from improving them would be like not doing anything about energy generation until we have fusion, which probably also won’t happen in my lifetime
        mschuster91 3y ago
        > Infrastructure (stores, schools, daycares, hospitals, offices) needs to change before mass transit is even feasible. And that needs to be built out over an extended period of time, like 15-20 years, to have good coverage. It's a chicken and egg problem in the end. A government has it easier to just dump funds for 10-20 years onto public transit subsidies (and provide the guarantee to the third parties you mention that any investment they make isn't going to be in vain) than if it convinces and pays off all these third parties to change before there is a viable public transit system.
cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
All I’ll say is: don’t advertise your lust for a Muslkian “direct” communication style during job interviews. All I’m hearing is “terrible to work with”. I’m sure you’ll appreciate the direct nature in which I communicated this, even if you disagree with it.
- ein0p 3y ago
  I no longer do "job interviews". People ask me whether I'd like to come work for them. Sometimes, I go and work for them. Your communication style is not direct enough for me I'm afraid, clearly you feel quite a bit more passionate about this than you let on. People must say what you permit, and never stray from the approved narratives, or else. Be careful to not mention that in job interviews.
ericmay 3y ago
> I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say Me either, but in this context what would that have to do with Elon Musk or Tesla? Are you suggesting that other automobile manufacturers or their CEOs try to dictate what other people say?
ahahahahah 3y ago
> I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say I'm trying to understand this in the context of musk's behavior, did you mean "I'm also a big fan of saying that I'm a big fan of not dictating what other people should say"? Or "I'm also a big fan of dictating what other people say"? I think either of those would make more sense in this context.

by ein0p 3y ago

rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago

>even though I disagree with some of his opinions Let me guess, nothing that's part his core believes?

ein0p 3y ago
Yes, I do believe our species needs to be multiplanetary, internet should be available everywhere, electric cars need to take over, and paralyzed people should be able to walk again.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  We share the same goals (except for electric cars needing to take over - they do, but the real issue is that public mass transit needs to take over!), but the methods / the lengths Elon Musk is willing to go to in pursuit of those goals are disturbing to many people.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    I don't think public mass transit will take over in the US in my lifetime, outside major cities. We're just too spread out, and a lot of us, especially people with kids, like it that way. Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.
    - ericmay 3y ago
      > Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child. Kind of a confusing statement. Sure the current state doesn't work in the US, which is because it isn't designed to work and there is little to no investment or money spent on public transit. You can know that this is factually true by looking at your state department of highways budgets and examining how funds are allocated. It does work in other countries, including countries that have parents with children. There is no logistical or cost-based reason it won't or couldn't work in the US. Nothing special about "spread out" - which is another choice we intentionally make or the size of the country. It's also mostly untrue since most of the population in the US lives in urban areas. Suburban areas can just continue to grow as is and become more dense while preserving SFHs.
      - ein0p 3y ago
        _Transit_ is not what needs to change first. Infrastructure (stores, schools, daycares, hospitals, offices) needs to change before mass transit is even feasible. And that needs to be built out over an extended period of time, like 15-20 years, to have good coverage. This is particularly hard to grasp for someone who has never lived in Europe, which I have. So we “invest” in mass transit which (at least in my neck of the woods) almost nobody uses because it’s 10 minute drive to the grocery store and 15 minute drive to school, and both of those numbers triple or quadruple without a car. And now consider your kids extracurriculars, like swim team or something. And now consider having 2-3 kids. Cars are here to stay. To refrain from improving them would be like not doing anything about energy generation until we have fusion, which probably also won’t happen in my lifetime
        mschuster91 3y ago
        > Infrastructure (stores, schools, daycares, hospitals, offices) needs to change before mass transit is even feasible. And that needs to be built out over an extended period of time, like 15-20 years, to have good coverage. It's a chicken and egg problem in the end. A government has it easier to just dump funds for 10-20 years onto public transit subsidies (and provide the guarantee to the third parties you mention that any investment they make isn't going to be in vain) than if it convinces and pays off all these third parties to change before there is a viable public transit system.

cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago

All I’ll say is: don’t advertise your lust for a Muslkian “direct” communication style during job interviews. All I’m hearing is “terrible to work with”. I’m sure you’ll appreciate the direct nature in which I communicated this, even if you disagree with it.

ein0p 3y ago
I no longer do "job interviews". People ask me whether I'd like to come work for them. Sometimes, I go and work for them. Your communication style is not direct enough for me I'm afraid, clearly you feel quite a bit more passionate about this than you let on. People must say what you permit, and never stray from the approved narratives, or else. Be careful to not mention that in job interviews.

ericmay 3y ago

> I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say Me either, but in this context what would that have to do with Elon Musk or Tesla? Are you suggesting that other automobile manufacturers or their CEOs try to dictate what other people say?

ahahahahah 3y ago

> I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say I'm trying to understand this in the context of musk's behavior, did you mean "I'm also a big fan of saying that I'm a big fan of not dictating what other people should say"? Or "I'm also a big fan of dictating what other people say"? I think either of those would make more sense in this context.