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Strictly my personal opinion - if you own a home in California, your life is probably better than the average Danish person due to access to better weather and

Strictly my personal opinion - if you own a home in California, your life is probably better than the average Danish person due to access to better weather and better economy. Homeownership rate for CA is 55.8% - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CAHOWN https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CAHOWN Also add people on rent controlled housing, who are in a similar boat, and that number would be even higher. Ultimately, you just have to look at the immigration numbers of "the best and the brightest", who can go anywhere in the world including CA and Denmark. I was one of them and decided to come to CA over any European country. So were many of my friends and many of my European colleagues from countries with all the benefits you mentioned.

diogenescynic 3y ago
You think people in Fresno, Bakersfield, Redding or Lancaster are better off than someone in Denmark? Is your only measurement the net worth of the person and not actually anything else like time off or life expectancy? The only people in California doing better are in Bay Area or coastal cities in Southern California or Tahoe. The rest of the state is worse off than the Midwest or rural Texas.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  "You think people in Fresno, Bakersfield, Redding or Lancaster are better off than someone in Denmark?" Yes. And I'm glad my family migrated to Fresno instead of Denmark.
  - diogenescynic 3y ago
    The average person/teacher/railroad worker in Denmark is almost definitely doing better than the average resident of Fresno by every metric. You’re in denial.
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      Yeah, I hear that from every European who spends time complaining about America on the internet. This place sucks supposedly, yet they talk about it so much. Good thing they don't have to live here!
    - diogenescynic 3y ago
      >Yeah, I hear that from every European who spends time complaining about America on the internet. This place sucks supposedly, yet they talk about it so much. Good thing they don't have to live here! Both can be true! And maybe you’re just overly sensitive of criticism of California and could admit it’s not perfect and not everyone makes $400k a year in big tech? Or do you not get outside your bubble ever?
      - hot_gril 3y ago
        For my one response, there were probably 200 Californians who didn't even care to say anything. Other states complain about us, other countries complain about the US, but it's like shouting at a brick wall. So you could call me a little more sensitive than them for even responding, but still pretty callous. Nowhere is perfect, go experience another state if you don't believe me, or if you've never lived in CA then don't complain about living here.
        diogenescynic 3y ago
        That’s called whataboutism… Is there no legitimate criticism in your mind? Nothing worth changing or improving? That seems shockingly arrogant. Other states have their issues but I don’t live there so I don’t care as much—I want California to get its shit together because I live here and raise my kids here. It’s clear as day to my eyes that California quality of life has fallen since the 1990s… who cares if home prices annd incomes are up but everything else is so getting worse by the day? Rule of law is barely holding on for its life…
        hot_gril 3y ago
        There are legitimate criticisms and things to change, but it mostly applies to other states too. "Gripped by economic problems" is not one of them, and the state isn't in decline either. As I said elsewhere though, SF is one exception that I'd say is truly terrible because they shot themselves in the foot with a weird combination of far-left policies and corporate lobbying. What I do is consistently vote for harsher criminal justice and political candidates who at least acknowledge that illegal immigration is a problem here. This usually means moderate Republicans.
yodsanklai 3y ago
Sure, if you work in tech. It happens there are many innovative tech companies in California. Suppose now you have a "regular" job, you'll be probably be happier in Denmark. I actually work for a Californian big tech company, remotely in Europe. I could move to the bay area but my life quality is better here, on many levels.

diogenescynic 3y ago

You think people in Fresno, Bakersfield, Redding or Lancaster are better off than someone in Denmark? Is your only measurement the net worth of the person and not actually anything else like time off or life expectancy? The only people in California doing better are in Bay Area or coastal cities in Southern California or Tahoe. The rest of the state is worse off than the Midwest or rural Texas.

hot_gril 3y ago
"You think people in Fresno, Bakersfield, Redding or Lancaster are better off than someone in Denmark?" Yes. And I'm glad my family migrated to Fresno instead of Denmark.
- diogenescynic 3y ago
  The average person/teacher/railroad worker in Denmark is almost definitely doing better than the average resident of Fresno by every metric. You’re in denial.
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    Yeah, I hear that from every European who spends time complaining about America on the internet. This place sucks supposedly, yet they talk about it so much. Good thing they don't have to live here!
  - diogenescynic 3y ago
    >Yeah, I hear that from every European who spends time complaining about America on the internet. This place sucks supposedly, yet they talk about it so much. Good thing they don't have to live here! Both can be true! And maybe you’re just overly sensitive of criticism of California and could admit it’s not perfect and not everyone makes $400k a year in big tech? Or do you not get outside your bubble ever?
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      For my one response, there were probably 200 Californians who didn't even care to say anything. Other states complain about us, other countries complain about the US, but it's like shouting at a brick wall. So you could call me a little more sensitive than them for even responding, but still pretty callous. Nowhere is perfect, go experience another state if you don't believe me, or if you've never lived in CA then don't complain about living here.
      - diogenescynic 3y ago
        That’s called whataboutism… Is there no legitimate criticism in your mind? Nothing worth changing or improving? That seems shockingly arrogant. Other states have their issues but I don’t live there so I don’t care as much—I want California to get its shit together because I live here and raise my kids here. It’s clear as day to my eyes that California quality of life has fallen since the 1990s… who cares if home prices annd incomes are up but everything else is so getting worse by the day? Rule of law is barely holding on for its life…
        hot_gril 3y ago
        There are legitimate criticisms and things to change, but it mostly applies to other states too. "Gripped by economic problems" is not one of them, and the state isn't in decline either. As I said elsewhere though, SF is one exception that I'd say is truly terrible because they shot themselves in the foot with a weird combination of far-left policies and corporate lobbying. What I do is consistently vote for harsher criminal justice and political candidates who at least acknowledge that illegal immigration is a problem here. This usually means moderate Republicans.

yodsanklai 3y ago

Sure, if you work in tech. It happens there are many innovative tech companies in California. Suppose now you have a "regular" job, you'll be probably be happier in Denmark. I actually work for a Californian big tech company, remotely in Europe. I could move to the bay area but my life quality is better here, on many levels.