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> The report described several Chinese government-linked accounts — sometimes referred to as "Spamoflage" — pretending to be avid Republicans and fans of former

> The report described several Chinese government-linked accounts — sometimes referred to as "Spamoflage" — pretending to be avid Republicans and fans of former President Donald Trump's reelection campaign, with some accusing Democratic President Joe Biden of being a "Satanist pedophile." Huh? Seems absurd that China would want another term of the president that implemented a raft of import tariffs and has been expressly anti-China

pygar 3y ago
perhaps the goal is to cause general distrust and chaos rather than back a particular candidate. Biden hasn't pulled back from the trade war either. Reading a supporter describe Biden as a "Satanist pedophile" would much more likely (I think and hope) go against Trump as being unhinged.
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  > Biden hasn't pulled back from the trade war either. Biden has been maintaining Trump's policies, but hasn't really continued his escalation, even reopening diplomatic channels and dialogue with China.
jerlam 3y ago
After implementing import tariffs, a country should be using that advantage in order to build up its own manufacturing capabilities. The United States does not seem to be doing that particularly well. Maybe China believes that the US is so dysfunctional and so dependent on Chinese imports that tariffs would not make any difference.
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  The US and its western allies are actively vying to keep advanced chip fab technology out of China, and restricting GPUs that can be sold to them. At the same time there's heavy domestic investment in new US fabs of a scale not seen for decades.
  - SXX 3y ago
    US and western alies cant even get control over gas and oil refinery tech exports to Russia after 2 years of full scale war and 12 years of sanctions. And all kind of dual-use nearly military tech being imported to Russia through other contries such as UAE, Turkey, etc. And China is much more resourceful and GPUs are not 100-ton refinery equipment or heavy machinery.
    - h0l0cube 3y ago
      The ASML lithography machines are only built by ASML. They are insanely complex and would be damn hard to replicate. Especially when they can't just obtain one and pull it apart. Fab equipment is different in nature to drones and natural resources which are in abundant supply.
  - jerlam 3y ago
    China's spun up their own GPU research and manufacturing to compete against NVIDIA. Not just in response to recent tariffs, but part of a long term strategy of having no dependencies on foreign nations. It was a big deal when Huawei reentered the phone market in 2019 using Chinese chips after international sanctions.
    - h0l0cube 3y ago
      Advanced fabs take at least a decade to spin up, and maturing a domestic fabrication capability takes decades. There's hardly a threat here.
      - GauntletWizard 3y ago
        China has been working on it for decades. China already has plenty of lower technology Fab operations, and have invested into ramping up the quality. Just because China has not been competitive at the highest end of that chip fabrication does not mean that they have not been competitive at chip fabrication as a whole. Tons of semiconductors are manufactured in China. Not advanced gpus, no, but there is a decent chance that your microwave contains semiconductor chips built in China.
krapp 3y ago
Trump's tariffs hurt the US more than they did China, and his belligerence and instability made China look stable and reasonable in comparison. Why wouldn't they want more of that?
- latency-guy2 3y ago
  > Trump's tariffs hurt the US more than they did China, and his belligerence and instability made China look stable and reasonable in comparison. Why wouldn't they want more of that? Evidence, and not an opinion piece that only looks at US data but also includes effects on Chinese economy. You certainly cannot make this claim from the data I've seen available to the public. So I think you're lying. Why lie?
nsvd 3y ago
It seems China isn't worried about this anti-chinese policy. Quite scary.

pygar 3y ago

perhaps the goal is to cause general distrust and chaos rather than back a particular candidate. Biden hasn't pulled back from the trade war either. Reading a supporter describe Biden as a "Satanist pedophile" would much more likely (I think and hope) go against Trump as being unhinged.

h0l0cube 3y ago
> Biden hasn't pulled back from the trade war either. Biden has been maintaining Trump's policies, but hasn't really continued his escalation, even reopening diplomatic channels and dialogue with China.

jerlam 3y ago

After implementing import tariffs, a country should be using that advantage in order to build up its own manufacturing capabilities. The United States does not seem to be doing that particularly well. Maybe China believes that the US is so dysfunctional and so dependent on Chinese imports that tariffs would not make any difference.

h0l0cube 3y ago
The US and its western allies are actively vying to keep advanced chip fab technology out of China, and restricting GPUs that can be sold to them. At the same time there's heavy domestic investment in new US fabs of a scale not seen for decades.
- SXX 3y ago
  US and western alies cant even get control over gas and oil refinery tech exports to Russia after 2 years of full scale war and 12 years of sanctions. And all kind of dual-use nearly military tech being imported to Russia through other contries such as UAE, Turkey, etc. And China is much more resourceful and GPUs are not 100-ton refinery equipment or heavy machinery.
  - h0l0cube 3y ago
    The ASML lithography machines are only built by ASML. They are insanely complex and would be damn hard to replicate. Especially when they can't just obtain one and pull it apart. Fab equipment is different in nature to drones and natural resources which are in abundant supply.
- jerlam 3y ago
  China's spun up their own GPU research and manufacturing to compete against NVIDIA. Not just in response to recent tariffs, but part of a long term strategy of having no dependencies on foreign nations. It was a big deal when Huawei reentered the phone market in 2019 using Chinese chips after international sanctions.
  - h0l0cube 3y ago
    Advanced fabs take at least a decade to spin up, and maturing a domestic fabrication capability takes decades. There's hardly a threat here.
    - GauntletWizard 3y ago
      China has been working on it for decades. China already has plenty of lower technology Fab operations, and have invested into ramping up the quality. Just because China has not been competitive at the highest end of that chip fabrication does not mean that they have not been competitive at chip fabrication as a whole. Tons of semiconductors are manufactured in China. Not advanced gpus, no, but there is a decent chance that your microwave contains semiconductor chips built in China.

krapp 3y ago

Trump's tariffs hurt the US more than they did China, and his belligerence and instability made China look stable and reasonable in comparison. Why wouldn't they want more of that?

latency-guy2 3y ago
> Trump's tariffs hurt the US more than they did China, and his belligerence and instability made China look stable and reasonable in comparison. Why wouldn't they want more of that? Evidence, and not an opinion piece that only looks at US data but also includes effects on Chinese economy. You certainly cannot make this claim from the data I've seen available to the public. So I think you're lying. Why lie?

nsvd 3y ago

It seems China isn't worried about this anti-chinese policy. Quite scary.