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> The vaccines were extremely well-tested and anyone saying they weren't is either lying or was lied to by a liar. Starting human trials before animal trials w

> The vaccines were extremely well-tested and anyone saying they weren't is either lying or was lied to by a liar. Starting human trials before animal trials were finished is not what I'd call "extremely well-tested". The standard testing procedure takes years. These injections were forced upon hundreds of millions of people after only a few months of testing, and that's even assuming that what little testing was done was done properly.

FireBeyond 3y ago
> Starting human trials before animal trials were finished is not what I'd call "extremely well-tested". Citation needed. The FDA paperwork to authorize human trials and emergency authorization referenced the completed animal trials. > The standard testing procedure takes years. While testing processes do typically take years, this also factors in the production to testable levels of said vaccines, whereas mRNA vaccines are far more quickly and efficiently produced, reducing this time dramatically. Also to be taken into account, work on coronavirus vaccination in humans had already been in the pipeline since the Avian Flu crises. This wasn't something new. > These injections were forced upon hundreds of millions of people after only a few months of testing Most people couldn't access the vaccine for much longer periods of time. Certainly no-one was being forced early on (and that goes for varying definitions of the word 'forced'). Sources: - https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-studies-947974839488 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-... - https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fac...
- snakeyjake 3y ago
  Antivaxxers are the geocentrists of the modern age. Facts are irrelevant, for it is a religion-- half cult of individual superiority and half uncontrollable iconoclasm.
  - OCASMv2 3y ago
    Define "antivaxxer".
    - snakeyjake 3y ago
      Someone who rejects the broad and overwhelming scientific consensus and cherry-picks extreme cantankerous outliers to support their position that there is a "they" who are "forcing" people do something for some handwavy conspiracy nonsense. Like geocentrists but with medicine.
      - OCASMv2 3y ago
        A definition of "antivaxxer" that includes no references to vaccines or vaccination. Ok.
- OCASMv2 3y ago
  > https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-studies-947974839488 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-... > CLAIM: Animal studies for COVID-19 vaccines were “stopped” because the animals were dying. Not my claim. > https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ > COVID-19 vaccines did not skip animal trials because of animal deaths Again, not my claim. > https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fac... > Now some proponents of the anti-parasitic drug traditionally used for animals are falsely claiming COVID-19 vaccinations haven't passed animal studies. Not my claim either. This is my claim: human trials started before animal trials were finished: https://ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > While testing processes do typically take years, this also factors in the production to testable levels of said vaccines, whereas mRNA vaccines are far more quickly and efficiently produced, reducing this time dramatically. The quickness of production is unrelated to how long it takes to test its effects. > Also to be taken into account, work on coronavirus vaccination in humans had already been in the pipeline since the Avian Flu crises. This wasn't something new. Can you point out the mRNA vaccines developed then? > Most people couldn't access the vaccine for much longer periods of time. Certainly no-one was being forced early on (and that goes for varying definitions of the word 'forced'). Yes, lets pretend vaccine mandates didn't happen.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> Starting human trials before animal trials were finished is not what I'd call "extremely well-tested". Citation needed. The FDA paperwork to authorize human trials and emergency authorization referenced the completed animal trials. > The standard testing procedure takes years. While testing processes do typically take years, this also factors in the production to testable levels of said vaccines, whereas mRNA vaccines are far more quickly and efficiently produced, reducing this time dramatically. Also to be taken into account, work on coronavirus vaccination in humans had already been in the pipeline since the Avian Flu crises. This wasn't something new. > These injections were forced upon hundreds of millions of people after only a few months of testing Most people couldn't access the vaccine for much longer periods of time. Certainly no-one was being forced early on (and that goes for varying definitions of the word 'forced'). Sources: - https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-studies-947974839488 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-... - https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fac...

snakeyjake 3y ago
Antivaxxers are the geocentrists of the modern age. Facts are irrelevant, for it is a religion-- half cult of individual superiority and half uncontrollable iconoclasm.
- OCASMv2 3y ago
  Define "antivaxxer".
  - snakeyjake 3y ago
    Someone who rejects the broad and overwhelming scientific consensus and cherry-picks extreme cantankerous outliers to support their position that there is a "they" who are "forcing" people do something for some handwavy conspiracy nonsense. Like geocentrists but with medicine.
    - OCASMv2 3y ago
      A definition of "antivaxxer" that includes no references to vaccines or vaccination. Ok.
OCASMv2 3y ago
> https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-studies-947974839488 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-animal-... > CLAIM: Animal studies for COVID-19 vaccines were “stopped” because the animals were dying. Not my claim. > https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NJ1IK/ > COVID-19 vaccines did not skip animal trials because of animal deaths Again, not my claim. > https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fac... > Now some proponents of the anti-parasitic drug traditionally used for animals are falsely claiming COVID-19 vaccinations haven't passed animal studies. Not my claim either. This is my claim: human trials started before animal trials were finished: https://ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > While testing processes do typically take years, this also factors in the production to testable levels of said vaccines, whereas mRNA vaccines are far more quickly and efficiently produced, reducing this time dramatically. The quickness of production is unrelated to how long it takes to test its effects. > Also to be taken into account, work on coronavirus vaccination in humans had already been in the pipeline since the Avian Flu crises. This wasn't something new. Can you point out the mRNA vaccines developed then? > Most people couldn't access the vaccine for much longer periods of time. Certainly no-one was being forced early on (and that goes for varying definitions of the word 'forced'). Yes, lets pretend vaccine mandates didn't happen.