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Seems kind of odd that the “party of small government” makes completely frivolous laws like this to prevent something that very likely will never happen. Should

Seems kind of odd that the “party of small government” makes completely frivolous laws like this to prevent something that very likely will never happen. Should we also make sure “food with extra-terrestrial genetic material” is outlawed, just in case?

rob74 3y ago
Don't forget "food which will cause you to be susceptible to remote control via 5G networks"...
- dude187 3y ago
  I don't see that in the article
  - seattle_spring 3y ago
    It’s about as real and likely as “vaccines in the grocery store lettuce.”
ejb999 3y ago
So they should wait until after the food supply becomes contaminated, then study the problem for a few years and only then pass a law to regulate it?
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Such things are already highly likely to fall under the FDA’s purview.
  - dude187 3y ago
    It's the legislative branch that determines that, with legislation exactly like this...
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      Not the TN one, and the US legislative branch has already given the FDA authority to regulate vaccines.
      - dude187 3y ago
        States have a similar setup patterned off the federal government, with most things falling only in the purview of the states. In this case they're correctly making sure that vaccines delivered as food are correctly treated as such under the framework here https://unicourt.github.io/cic-code-tn/transforms/tn/octn/r73/gov.tn.tca.title.53.html#t53c01s53-1-102 https://unicourt.github.io/cic-code-tn/transforms/tn/octn/r7... Considering the active development this is very forward thinking and timely
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        Again, under Federal law and regulation, these theoretical products are likely to already be deemed drugs (and this determination would almost certainly preempt any state decision in the opposite direction). The legislation is, at best, redundant.
        dude187 3y ago
        States enforce state law, not federal
        dude187 3y ago
        States enforce state law, not federal
jerf 3y ago
Not only is it likely to happen, it is happening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_vaccine#Vaccines_in_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_vaccine#Vaccines_in_dev... I think there's a lot of people reacting to this article as if "vaccines in food" is a "baseless conspiracy theory" when in fact it's in the study phase. The world moves fast. While the science and engineering of it is interesting and all, it's bad medicine to put things in the food supply, no matter how convenient it may seem superficially. There's always someone who is going to have a bad reaction, and the more it becomes normalized, the more stuff is going to become worrisome. The entire idea of dosing populations with effectively no ability to control doses is insane. What happens to people who pair these with grapefruit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit%E2%80%93drug_interactions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit%E2%80%93drug_intera... (and I also highlight the "Mechanism" section) Passing a pre-emptive law against just lobbing it into the food supply to see what happens is nowhere near as nonsensical as it sounds. It may not be a serious threat right this second, but the cost of a law of this sort is cheap too. (The stealth mRNA vaccine concerns some people have are silly, though. Given how hard it is to even inject them, they're not about to be passing through the digestive system any time soon.)
- jkaplowitz 3y ago
  Whatever the substantive merits, passing a law like this at the state level seems like a waste of everyone's time and legal fees: the food and vaccine supply chains are pretty much archetypal examples of interstate or foreign commerce, so it's really going to be the federal Congress and the federal executive branch that decide these policies. State policies running contrary to those federal decisions will get invalidated on constitutional grounds, no matter which level of government enacts its law first.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  > I think there's a lot of people reacting to this article as if "vaccines in food" is a "baseless conspiracy theory" when in fact it's in the study phase. Eggs are used to produce flu vaccines, but that doesn't mean those particular eggs can be sold as a food product. The same is going to be true for vaccine lettuce; as with any other vaccination, they'll fall under FDA regulation as drugs.
akira2501 3y ago
They're responding to research and articles that are publicly presaging and promoting this technology along with the idea that blind mass medical interventions are somehow ethical as long as it's a vaccine. Finally.. how hard do you think it's going to be to actually implement this law? Would it require a new cabinet position? A new department? A single new hire? Then how did the government "get larger" as a result?

rob74 3y ago

Don't forget "food which will cause you to be susceptible to remote control via 5G networks"...

dude187 3y ago
I don't see that in the article
- seattle_spring 3y ago
  It’s about as real and likely as “vaccines in the grocery store lettuce.”

ejb999 3y ago

So they should wait until after the food supply becomes contaminated, then study the problem for a few years and only then pass a law to regulate it?

ceejayoz 3y ago
Such things are already highly likely to fall under the FDA’s purview.
- dude187 3y ago
  It's the legislative branch that determines that, with legislation exactly like this...
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Not the TN one, and the US legislative branch has already given the FDA authority to regulate vaccines.
    - dude187 3y ago
      States have a similar setup patterned off the federal government, with most things falling only in the purview of the states. In this case they're correctly making sure that vaccines delivered as food are correctly treated as such under the framework here https://unicourt.github.io/cic-code-tn/transforms/tn/octn/r73/gov.tn.tca.title.53.html#t53c01s53-1-102 https://unicourt.github.io/cic-code-tn/transforms/tn/octn/r7... Considering the active development this is very forward thinking and timely
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        Again, under Federal law and regulation, these theoretical products are likely to already be deemed drugs (and this determination would almost certainly preempt any state decision in the opposite direction). The legislation is, at best, redundant.
        dude187 3y ago
        States enforce state law, not federal
        dude187 3y ago
        States enforce state law, not federal

jerf 3y ago

Not only is it likely to happen, it is happening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_vaccine#Vaccines_in_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_vaccine#Vaccines_in_dev... I think there's a lot of people reacting to this article as if "vaccines in food" is a "baseless conspiracy theory" when in fact it's in the study phase. The world moves fast. While the science and engineering of it is interesting and all, it's bad medicine to put things in the food supply, no matter how convenient it may seem superficially. There's always someone who is going to have a bad reaction, and the more it becomes normalized, the more stuff is going to become worrisome. The entire idea of dosing populations with effectively no ability to control doses is insane. What happens to people who pair these with grapefruit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit%E2%80%93drug_interactions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit%E2%80%93drug_intera... (and I also highlight the "Mechanism" section) Passing a pre-emptive law against just lobbing it into the food supply to see what happens is nowhere near as nonsensical as it sounds. It may not be a serious threat right this second, but the cost of a law of this sort is cheap too. (The stealth mRNA vaccine concerns some people have are silly, though. Given how hard it is to even inject them, they're not about to be passing through the digestive system any time soon.)

jkaplowitz 3y ago
Whatever the substantive merits, passing a law like this at the state level seems like a waste of everyone's time and legal fees: the food and vaccine supply chains are pretty much archetypal examples of interstate or foreign commerce, so it's really going to be the federal Congress and the federal executive branch that decide these policies. State policies running contrary to those federal decisions will get invalidated on constitutional grounds, no matter which level of government enacts its law first.
ceejayoz 3y ago
> I think there's a lot of people reacting to this article as if "vaccines in food" is a "baseless conspiracy theory" when in fact it's in the study phase. Eggs are used to produce flu vaccines, but that doesn't mean those particular eggs can be sold as a food product. The same is going to be true for vaccine lettuce; as with any other vaccination, they'll fall under FDA regulation as drugs.

akira2501 3y ago

They're responding to research and articles that are publicly presaging and promoting this technology along with the idea that blind mass medical interventions are somehow ethical as long as it's a vaccine. Finally.. how hard do you think it's going to be to actually implement this law? Would it require a new cabinet position? A new department? A single new hire? Then how did the government "get larger" as a result?