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> the collective West is unable to even hypothesize the nature of over the course of 8 years of investigation Another hypothesis is that 'the west' is unable o

> the collective West is unable to even hypothesize the nature of over the course of 8 years of investigation Another hypothesis is that 'the west' is unable or unwilling to publicly disclose what they found, maybe to not further escalate the conflict. > manufacture consent ahead of $60B “foreign aid” vote Consent for what? Is the foreign aid vote a referendum? You seem very passionate about this subject and judging by some of your previous comments on the matter you are holding a heavy bias. I don't believe there is any argument or piece of proof to change your view. Therefore, I don't believe it's worth for anyone to engage with you on this subject. Just wanted to call this out.

ein0p 3y ago
Are you certain I’m the one with the “bias” here? Let me quote ODNI from a couple of year ago: “ There is no one explanation for these incidents. Instead, there are many different possible causes including environmental as well as social factors and preexisting medical conditions.” Unless you believe that ODNI is full of Putin stooges, there isn’t a lot of room for any “bias” tinfoil here.
- maximinus_thrax 3y ago
  > Are you certain I’m the one with the “bias” here? yes > Let me quote ODNI from a couple of year ago: Keywords 'couple of years ago'. Maybe it sounds shocking to some, but things can change over a couple of years, stuff can be researched, new data points can appear or dissapear, presidents get voted out, empires rise and fall within a couple of years.
  - ein0p 3y ago
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    - maximinus_thrax 3y ago
      Is that the ODNI?
      - ein0p 3y ago
        Even better: that’s JAMA. Far less likely to just make things up to fit a narrative
        maximinus_thrax 3y ago
        Ok but what does the ODNI say in 2024? A couple of years ago they said 'There is no one explanation for these incidents', so basically 'we don't know'. Has there been an update? JAMA does not seem to rule out foul play, they're just saying they haven't found significant differences between control and treatment groups with regards to bio markers "except for self-reported and objective measures of imbalance; symptoms of fatigue, posttraumatic stress, and depression; and the development of functional neurological disorders in some", which is something that can be said for a lot of 'syndromes' in medical literature, syndromes that are very much real ("A syndrome is a recognizable complex of symptoms and physical findings which indicate a specific condition for which a direct cause is not necessarily understood."). Not sure if you're old enough to remember, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome suffered from similar information battles. So, I'm not sure I follow your arguments here, none of your quotes actually sustain your assertions. And why is JAMA 'far less likely' to make things up vs the ODNI? What are your arguments about that statement?

ein0p 3y ago

Are you certain I’m the one with the “bias” here? Let me quote ODNI from a couple of year ago: “ There is no one explanation for these incidents. Instead, there are many different possible causes including environmental as well as social factors and preexisting medical conditions.” Unless you believe that ODNI is full of Putin stooges, there isn’t a lot of room for any “bias” tinfoil here.

maximinus_thrax 3y ago
> Are you certain I’m the one with the “bias” here? yes > Let me quote ODNI from a couple of year ago: Keywords 'couple of years ago'. Maybe it sounds shocking to some, but things can change over a couple of years, stuff can be researched, new data points can appear or dissapear, presidents get voted out, empires rise and fall within a couple of years.
- ein0p 3y ago
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  - maximinus_thrax 3y ago
    Is that the ODNI?
    - ein0p 3y ago
      Even better: that’s JAMA. Far less likely to just make things up to fit a narrative
      - maximinus_thrax 3y ago
        Ok but what does the ODNI say in 2024? A couple of years ago they said 'There is no one explanation for these incidents', so basically 'we don't know'. Has there been an update? JAMA does not seem to rule out foul play, they're just saying they haven't found significant differences between control and treatment groups with regards to bio markers "except for self-reported and objective measures of imbalance; symptoms of fatigue, posttraumatic stress, and depression; and the development of functional neurological disorders in some", which is something that can be said for a lot of 'syndromes' in medical literature, syndromes that are very much real ("A syndrome is a recognizable complex of symptoms and physical findings which indicate a specific condition for which a direct cause is not necessarily understood."). Not sure if you're old enough to remember, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome suffered from similar information battles. So, I'm not sure I follow your arguments here, none of your quotes actually sustain your assertions. And why is JAMA 'far less likely' to make things up vs the ODNI? What are your arguments about that statement?