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I would hope that the majority learned that hygiene and masking are effective enough for us to continue to live our lives, but I doubt it.

huytersd 3y ago
You won’t want to live your life normally if there is a 60% mortality rate airborne virus around.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  Sure, if that proves to be the case I would happily lock myself up. I can quarantine with the best of them. But the fact of the matter is that we don't know a lot about H5N1 infections in people due to the extremely low number of known infections. The individual in question here appears to be having more mild symptoms.
  - huytersd 3y ago
    The number of infections is low in the US but we have a lot of data from China and south east Asia where it’s more prevalent. 800 people have been infected in total so far with about a 50% mortality rate since the late 90s.
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      Do we know the rate they tested at? Do we think it's possible they caught everyone infected? To be clear in this, I took COVID very seriously, I still carry a mask in my pocket and use it when I travel, but I'm trying to be realistic about the situation.
      - throwup238 3y ago
        > Do we think it's possible they caught everyone infected? It's not. The CDC only caught this case because they are proactively testing workers at farms that have confirmed animal outbreaks. > "The patient reported eye redness (consistent with conjunctivitis), as their only symptom, and is recovering." [1] Diseases like ebola or hendra virus that actually have 50%+ mortality rates don't have mild forms like this. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p0401-avian-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p0401-avian-flu.html
- foobarian 3y ago
  A virus with that kind of mortality rate would have no chance to spread very far anyway, so all good!
  - SAI_Peregrinus 3y ago
    That depends on the time difference between when it becomes transmissible and when it causes death. If it's short, it won't spread much. If it's long, it'll spread all over the place.
  - outworlder 3y ago
    > A virus with that kind of mortality rate would have no chance to spread very far anyway, so all good! Give it a two week incubation time (not that far-fetched) and it will spread far and wide.
TomSwirly 3y ago
There are over a million dead in the United States for whom your statement is not true.
- skyyler 3y ago
  Imagine how many more would have died if no one washed their hands.
  - TexanFeller 3y ago
    Very few. Covid mass infection events happened mostly through the air, much less so through touching a surface. We learned that early in the pandemic. Hand washing after the first few months was mostly kept as hygiene theatre and for preventing transmission of infections other than covid.
    - skyyler 3y ago
      If you only wash your hands because of "hygiene theatre" please don't invite me to dinner.
      - outworlder 3y ago
        That's not what they said. Read it again.
    - outworlder 3y ago
      > Very few. Covid mass infection events happened mostly through the air, much less so through touching a surface. We learned that early in the pandemic. No, "we" didn't. The CDC and, by extension, much of the coverage was insisting on surface sanitization even though there was plenty of evidence for airborne transmission already. I distinctly remembered going with the CDC recommendations until a friend pointed me out to a bunch of published articles with a preponderance of evidence for airborne transmission. It took many months for the CDC and other agencies to change their stance, by which time the whole 'surface cleaning' was already entrenched in everyone's minds.
dist-epoch 3y ago
The good news is that masks and hand sanitizers are much more effective against the flu, as seen in the pandemic when it virtually disappeared.

huytersd 3y ago

You won’t want to live your life normally if there is a 60% mortality rate airborne virus around.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
Sure, if that proves to be the case I would happily lock myself up. I can quarantine with the best of them. But the fact of the matter is that we don't know a lot about H5N1 infections in people due to the extremely low number of known infections. The individual in question here appears to be having more mild symptoms.
- huytersd 3y ago
  The number of infections is low in the US but we have a lot of data from China and south east Asia where it’s more prevalent. 800 people have been infected in total so far with about a 50% mortality rate since the late 90s.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    Do we know the rate they tested at? Do we think it's possible they caught everyone infected? To be clear in this, I took COVID very seriously, I still carry a mask in my pocket and use it when I travel, but I'm trying to be realistic about the situation.
    - throwup238 3y ago
      > Do we think it's possible they caught everyone infected? It's not. The CDC only caught this case because they are proactively testing workers at farms that have confirmed animal outbreaks. > "The patient reported eye redness (consistent with conjunctivitis), as their only symptom, and is recovering." [1] Diseases like ebola or hendra virus that actually have 50%+ mortality rates don't have mild forms like this. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p0401-avian-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/p0401-avian-flu.html
foobarian 3y ago
A virus with that kind of mortality rate would have no chance to spread very far anyway, so all good!
- SAI_Peregrinus 3y ago
  That depends on the time difference between when it becomes transmissible and when it causes death. If it's short, it won't spread much. If it's long, it'll spread all over the place.
- outworlder 3y ago
  > A virus with that kind of mortality rate would have no chance to spread very far anyway, so all good! Give it a two week incubation time (not that far-fetched) and it will spread far and wide.

TomSwirly 3y ago

There are over a million dead in the United States for whom your statement is not true.

skyyler 3y ago
Imagine how many more would have died if no one washed their hands.
- TexanFeller 3y ago
  Very few. Covid mass infection events happened mostly through the air, much less so through touching a surface. We learned that early in the pandemic. Hand washing after the first few months was mostly kept as hygiene theatre and for preventing transmission of infections other than covid.
  - skyyler 3y ago
    If you only wash your hands because of "hygiene theatre" please don't invite me to dinner.
    - outworlder 3y ago
      That's not what they said. Read it again.
  - outworlder 3y ago
    > Very few. Covid mass infection events happened mostly through the air, much less so through touching a surface. We learned that early in the pandemic. No, "we" didn't. The CDC and, by extension, much of the coverage was insisting on surface sanitization even though there was plenty of evidence for airborne transmission already. I distinctly remembered going with the CDC recommendations until a friend pointed me out to a bunch of published articles with a preponderance of evidence for airborne transmission. It took many months for the CDC and other agencies to change their stance, by which time the whole 'surface cleaning' was already entrenched in everyone's minds.

dist-epoch 3y ago

The good news is that masks and hand sanitizers are much more effective against the flu, as seen in the pandemic when it virtually disappeared.