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When I started floating to my wife that our next car should be an EV, she immediately demanded "no Tesla" after the string of reports of full self driving hurli

by tapoxi 3y ago

When I started floating to my wife that our next car should be an EV, she immediately demanded "no Tesla" after the string of reports of full self driving hurling people into concrete barriers and trucks. Valid argument. I didn't plan on getting FSD anyway, but it shows they're willing to put the lives of their customers at risk.

fred_is_fred 3y ago
The other aspect that I find disturbing is that in all cases where a Tesla fails, Tesla stans will blame the driver/owner. It's a toxic community where Musk does no wrong and nothing is his or Tesla's fault. I am also still wondering why they can continue to sell FSD and not be charged with fraud.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Pretty sure labelling entire community is against HN guidelines
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
    I for one believe that the stunning and brave Tesla community will pull through this disgusting case of discrimination. I’ll also be sure to write to my local representative, imploring them to consider special-purpose legislation to protect them against further attacks.
- nunez 3y ago
  That's because in many of those cases, the fault _does_ lie with the driver.
  - bcrl 3y ago
    Take it from the airline industry: assigning blame is not a good way to improve safety. It's always a confluence of factors that leads to an accident. Change any single factor and the accident probably wouldn't occur. Moreover, humans have been proven time and again to be easily distracted, lazy, tired or simply not following the rules. The first step in achieving the goal of improved safety needs to accept that humans are flawed, yet strive to improve safety in spite of that.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  It's really very extreme. Even with Apple, which is traditionally viewed as one of the more cult-adjacent tech companies, the user community was generally, say, pretty derisive of "you're holding it wrong". I can't think of another example of a company which has such an extreme assumption of infallibility by its fans; it's usually more something you see from actual bona fide cults.
dzhiurgis 3y ago
Drove for 3 hours yesterday with minimal effort and far more attention on what traffic is doing. There’s no going back from Autopilot. Depending where you live Tesla has best value for money by about 20-40%. You either avoiding brand or looking for something luxurious if choosing something else. In NZ vote of protest seems to be Polestar - nice looking, but inferior at every spec while 1.5x more expensive!
- pornel 3y ago
  Hyundai/Kia Highway Driving Assist (HDA2) is really good. They're price competitive. Their charging speed can exceed Tesla's, and you get physical buttons, 360 camera, and a HUD that you can't get in a Tesla.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Is leather interior, seat heating/ventilation, heated steering wheel, power tailgate part of package or extra $10k?
    - pornel 3y ago
      They have different trims in different markets, so you have to check locally.
- TheAlchemist 3y ago
  In NZ, people are no longer buying EVs anyway, once government subsides stopped: https://evdb.nz/ev-stats https://evdb.nz/ev-stats
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Also AFAIK first country in the world to tax EVs for road use, effectively 2x more over hybrids or same as 3.5 ton diesel truck. Comes from a party that Musk himself congratulated for winning.

by tapoxi 3y ago

fred_is_fred 3y ago

The other aspect that I find disturbing is that in all cases where a Tesla fails, Tesla stans will blame the driver/owner. It's a toxic community where Musk does no wrong and nothing is his or Tesla's fault. I am also still wondering why they can continue to sell FSD and not be charged with fraud.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
Pretty sure labelling entire community is against HN guidelines
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
  I for one believe that the stunning and brave Tesla community will pull through this disgusting case of discrimination. I’ll also be sure to write to my local representative, imploring them to consider special-purpose legislation to protect them against further attacks.
nunez 3y ago
That's because in many of those cases, the fault _does_ lie with the driver.
- bcrl 3y ago
  Take it from the airline industry: assigning blame is not a good way to improve safety. It's always a confluence of factors that leads to an accident. Change any single factor and the accident probably wouldn't occur. Moreover, humans have been proven time and again to be easily distracted, lazy, tired or simply not following the rules. The first step in achieving the goal of improved safety needs to accept that humans are flawed, yet strive to improve safety in spite of that.
rsynnott 3y ago
It's really very extreme. Even with Apple, which is traditionally viewed as one of the more cult-adjacent tech companies, the user community was generally, say, pretty derisive of "you're holding it wrong". I can't think of another example of a company which has such an extreme assumption of infallibility by its fans; it's usually more something you see from actual bona fide cults.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

Drove for 3 hours yesterday with minimal effort and far more attention on what traffic is doing. There’s no going back from Autopilot. Depending where you live Tesla has best value for money by about 20-40%. You either avoiding brand or looking for something luxurious if choosing something else. In NZ vote of protest seems to be Polestar - nice looking, but inferior at every spec while 1.5x more expensive!

pornel 3y ago
Hyundai/Kia Highway Driving Assist (HDA2) is really good. They're price competitive. Their charging speed can exceed Tesla's, and you get physical buttons, 360 camera, and a HUD that you can't get in a Tesla.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Is leather interior, seat heating/ventilation, heated steering wheel, power tailgate part of package or extra $10k?
  - pornel 3y ago
    They have different trims in different markets, so you have to check locally.
TheAlchemist 3y ago
In NZ, people are no longer buying EVs anyway, once government subsides stopped: https://evdb.nz/ev-stats https://evdb.nz/ev-stats
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Also AFAIK first country in the world to tax EVs for road use, effectively 2x more over hybrids or same as 3.5 ton diesel truck. Comes from a party that Musk himself congratulated for winning.