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Am I right in saying some Apple hardware is now a brick because the initial setup requires creating/logging in with an AppleId, but Apple no longer will let tho

Am I right in saying some Apple hardware is now a brick because the initial setup requires creating/logging in with an AppleId, but Apple no longer will let those old insecure devices login?

reaperducer 3y ago
Am I right in saying some Apple hardware is now a brick Not the ones I use. I use a 2008 iPhone 3 (15 years old) as an iPod daily with no problems, and a launch day iPad (2010 - 14 years ago) for reading e-mail with no problems. Plus a couple of shuffles I listen to in bed. All sync with the latest version of macOS and Apple's Music program with no problems.
qingcharles 3y ago
I don't think any of them force you to have an Apple ID. There are millions of bricked Apple devices out there though because they are iCloud locked. If someone loses their iPhone or donates it or sells it without removing their Apple ID, then it is literally impossible right now on newer devices to break into them. The parts can't be sold as they all have IDs burned into their ICs that stop them being reused. A friend last year who owned a bar gave me a huge box of lost iPhones for which the owners could not be found/reached. I could only get into one of them. Rest were expensive doorstops.
- threeseed 3y ago
  Why not just take them to Apple or third party to be recycled. Allowing you to profit from someone’s lost iPhone invites criminal behaviour and potentially allows you to access private information that is still on the phone. No one at a bar asked for that.
  - qingcharles 3y ago
    It's more nuanced than that, though. I try to be the most ethical person in the room. I don't want to make a profit from someone else's loss, but the bar owner had tried to find the owners and these were the ones that couldn't be traced. I totally understand the motivation with setting the phones up like this. In theory it should stop theft if there is literally no incentive to steal someone's phone because nothing can be re-used. I just wanted to flash them back to factory and use one of them because I was homeless and needed a phone. I would have happily returned them to Apple for recycling (have you seen their iPhone recycling machine?!), but someone set fire to the building where I'd stored them and so they all went up in flames...
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dimmke 3y ago
This is actually a common misconception, but you don't have to sign into an Apple ID to setup any device (except maybe the watch? But definitely not phones or tablets.) You have the option to skip the step. I think people just assume it's required because when Microsoft implemented their shittier version of it they made it required.
- InitialLastName 3y ago
  As far as I can tell, you do, however, need to have an Apple ID to install any applications (because you need it to open the app store). And even if not required, you will get continuous nags to connect to one.
  - dimmke 3y ago
    In my experience, the nags aren't really that bad. But you're right about installing applications. With the upcoming sideloading and app store changes, that might change and these devices will remain useful for longer.

Am I right in saying some Apple hardware is now a brick because the initial setup requires creating/logging in with an AppleId, but Apple no longer will let those old insecure devices login?

reaperducer 3y ago

Am I right in saying some Apple hardware is now a brick Not the ones I use. I use a 2008 iPhone 3 (15 years old) as an iPod daily with no problems, and a launch day iPad (2010 - 14 years ago) for reading e-mail with no problems. Plus a couple of shuffles I listen to in bed. All sync with the latest version of macOS and Apple's Music program with no problems.

qingcharles 3y ago

I don't think any of them force you to have an Apple ID. There are millions of bricked Apple devices out there though because they are iCloud locked. If someone loses their iPhone or donates it or sells it without removing their Apple ID, then it is literally impossible right now on newer devices to break into them. The parts can't be sold as they all have IDs burned into their ICs that stop them being reused. A friend last year who owned a bar gave me a huge box of lost iPhones for which the owners could not be found/reached. I could only get into one of them. Rest were expensive doorstops.

threeseed 3y ago
Why not just take them to Apple or third party to be recycled. Allowing you to profit from someone’s lost iPhone invites criminal behaviour and potentially allows you to access private information that is still on the phone. No one at a bar asked for that.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  It's more nuanced than that, though. I try to be the most ethical person in the room. I don't want to make a profit from someone else's loss, but the bar owner had tried to find the owners and these were the ones that couldn't be traced. I totally understand the motivation with setting the phones up like this. In theory it should stop theft if there is literally no incentive to steal someone's phone because nothing can be re-used. I just wanted to flash them back to factory and use one of them because I was homeless and needed a phone. I would have happily returned them to Apple for recycling (have you seen their iPhone recycling machine?!), but someone set fire to the building where I'd stored them and so they all went up in flames...

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dimmke 3y ago

This is actually a common misconception, but you don't have to sign into an Apple ID to setup any device (except maybe the watch? But definitely not phones or tablets.) You have the option to skip the step. I think people just assume it's required because when Microsoft implemented their shittier version of it they made it required.

InitialLastName 3y ago
As far as I can tell, you do, however, need to have an Apple ID to install any applications (because you need it to open the app store). And even if not required, you will get continuous nags to connect to one.
- dimmke 3y ago
  In my experience, the nags aren't really that bad. But you're right about installing applications. With the upcoming sideloading and app store changes, that might change and these devices will remain useful for longer.