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I’ll be sure to tell that to my gay friends, my female friends who don’t just shut up and submit, and anybody who puts cheese on a hotdog.

its_ethan 3y ago
Make sure you don't also forget to throw the baby out with the bathwater
- callalex 3y ago
  As soon as you are picking and choosing, how are you adhering to any supposed wisdom provided by the divine?
  - its_ethan 3y ago
    I'd suggest using your best judgement - no one here is advocating for orthodoxy. Times have changed over the last 2-3000 years, and things that were once practical may not be anymore. I think you might be assuming that the only interpretation of religious text is that they are all-or-nothing affairs, across the board. One of the core tenets to Christianity is the recognition that everyone is going to sin (or not "adhere to the supposed wisdom of the divine" as you put it) and that they will still be forgiven.
bregma 3y ago
Wait, I though the cheesemakers are blessed? What if it's Whiz?
- k12sosse 3y ago
  I think it's because pork and cow products
  - pezezin 3y ago
    No, it is because Judaism forbids mixing meat with dairy products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_and_meat_in_Jewish_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_and_meat_in_Jewish_law
    - bregma 3y ago
      But does Whiz count as dairy or is it purely a petroleum distillate?
EnigmaFlare 3y ago
What nobody seems to wonder about is why both the Bible and Quran strongly prohibited gay sex and that idea is so widespread across most of history and most of the world, even today, and even in China which doesn't have a history of those religions. You can't say we know better now because we're better educated when we don't know the reason in the first place. There are some clues. The Bible has the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which might be a collective memory of societies becoming gay-friendly and promiscuous then being destroyed somehow. It could have been put into a story about God to make it memorable across generations (we do still have the story after-all, and we don't still have the actual history). In Islam, Mohammed said his greatest fear was that Muslims would turn gay. Why was he so afraid of that? Maybe there was cultural knowledge of what too much tolerance for gayness leads to and we just don't have that knowledge in our recorded history. Not saying I have the answer, but nobody else does either. It's naïve to just look at the direct consequences and say "they're not hurting anybody so it's fine". There might be destructive emergent social phenomena that come from it being widely accepted over the long term. We only have basically 2 generations of data on gay-friendly western society to observe from.

its_ethan 3y ago

Make sure you don't also forget to throw the baby out with the bathwater

callalex 3y ago
As soon as you are picking and choosing, how are you adhering to any supposed wisdom provided by the divine?
- its_ethan 3y ago
  I'd suggest using your best judgement - no one here is advocating for orthodoxy. Times have changed over the last 2-3000 years, and things that were once practical may not be anymore. I think you might be assuming that the only interpretation of religious text is that they are all-or-nothing affairs, across the board. One of the core tenets to Christianity is the recognition that everyone is going to sin (or not "adhere to the supposed wisdom of the divine" as you put it) and that they will still be forgiven.

bregma 3y ago

Wait, I though the cheesemakers are blessed? What if it's Whiz?

k12sosse 3y ago
I think it's because pork and cow products
- pezezin 3y ago
  No, it is because Judaism forbids mixing meat with dairy products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_and_meat_in_Jewish_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_and_meat_in_Jewish_law
  - bregma 3y ago
    But does Whiz count as dairy or is it purely a petroleum distillate?

EnigmaFlare 3y ago

What nobody seems to wonder about is why both the Bible and Quran strongly prohibited gay sex and that idea is so widespread across most of history and most of the world, even today, and even in China which doesn't have a history of those religions. You can't say we know better now because we're better educated when we don't know the reason in the first place. There are some clues. The Bible has the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which might be a collective memory of societies becoming gay-friendly and promiscuous then being destroyed somehow. It could have been put into a story about God to make it memorable across generations (we do still have the story after-all, and we don't still have the actual history). In Islam, Mohammed said his greatest fear was that Muslims would turn gay. Why was he so afraid of that? Maybe there was cultural knowledge of what too much tolerance for gayness leads to and we just don't have that knowledge in our recorded history. Not saying I have the answer, but nobody else does either. It's naïve to just look at the direct consequences and say "they're not hurting anybody so it's fine". There might be destructive emergent social phenomena that come from it being widely accepted over the long term. We only have basically 2 generations of data on gay-friendly western society to observe from.