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Unscathed? We just had the warmest summer on record in North America and a record-breaking wildfire season that blanketed huge swaths of the US and Canada in sm

by 0xdde 3y ago

Unscathed? We just had the warmest summer on record in North America and a record-breaking wildfire season that blanketed huge swaths of the US and Canada in smoke, just to name two effects that come to mind. Clearly we'll just sail through the coming years, as well.

gruez 3y ago
>a record-breaking wildfire season that blanketed huge swaths of the US and Canada in smoke, just to name two effects that come to mind I'm no climate change denier, but it seems weird to attribute this on climate change when it's arguably also caused by poor forestry management practices (ie. suppressing forest fires for decades leading to a buildup of flammable material), if not more so.
- 0xdde 3y ago
  This argument doesn't hold water for the scope of the fires we saw last summer. Are you really going to discount the extreme drought conditions and the fact that many of these fires started in areas that have long been uninhabited?
  - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
    Last year wasn't exceptional in regards to drought on average[1]. Obviously some areas were more dry and some were less dry. [1]: https://www.drought.gov/historical-information?dataset=0&selectedDateUSDM=20120214 https://www.drought.gov/historical-information?dataset=0&sel...
    - 0xdde 3y ago
      Are you going to ignore the worst wildfires, which were associated with terrible drought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Canadian_drought https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Canadian_drought? Last year wasn't as bad in the US, but which way do you think the trend is headed given the link we are commenting on?
      - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
        No as I mentioned specifically in the comment, I am talking about "average". Similar to one cold winter in one part is not a proof of climate not changing, one draught shouldn't be attributed to climate change. In the graph that I can't find any pattern or trend. Draught were bad in 2011 and then it improved and then got bad again and seems to be improving for a year.
        0xdde 3y ago
        I meant the original Climate Pulse link. You do not see a trend and do not believe we will see more frequent and intense droughts, and therefore wildfires, due to climate change?

by 0xdde 3y ago

gruez 3y ago

>a record-breaking wildfire season that blanketed huge swaths of the US and Canada in smoke, just to name two effects that come to mind I'm no climate change denier, but it seems weird to attribute this on climate change when it's arguably also caused by poor forestry management practices (ie. suppressing forest fires for decades leading to a buildup of flammable material), if not more so.

0xdde 3y ago
This argument doesn't hold water for the scope of the fires we saw last summer. Are you really going to discount the extreme drought conditions and the fact that many of these fires started in areas that have long been uninhabited?
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  Last year wasn't exceptional in regards to drought on average[1]. Obviously some areas were more dry and some were less dry. [1]: https://www.drought.gov/historical-information?dataset=0&selectedDateUSDM=20120214 https://www.drought.gov/historical-information?dataset=0&sel...
  - 0xdde 3y ago
    Are you going to ignore the worst wildfires, which were associated with terrible drought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Canadian_drought https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Canadian_drought? Last year wasn't as bad in the US, but which way do you think the trend is headed given the link we are commenting on?
    - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
      No as I mentioned specifically in the comment, I am talking about "average". Similar to one cold winter in one part is not a proof of climate not changing, one draught shouldn't be attributed to climate change. In the graph that I can't find any pattern or trend. Draught were bad in 2011 and then it improved and then got bad again and seems to be improving for a year.
      - 0xdde 3y ago
        I meant the original Climate Pulse link. You do not see a trend and do not believe we will see more frequent and intense droughts, and therefore wildfires, due to climate change?