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I came out of it fine. I wish some other people had learned: - That a respiratory disease can spread quickly before you show symptoms, and kill millions - Tha

I came out of it fine. I wish some other people had learned: - That a respiratory disease can spread quickly before you show symptoms, and kill millions - That even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things - That you don't get to defect from polite society one day and then whine about being an outcast the next. Of course I'm mad at people who refused to take any precautions at all. They made things worse.

lurking15 3y ago
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themaninthedark 3y ago
Here are my takeaways: - The government will lie to you because it is not prepared. - They will then spin on a dime with no consequences and all those who were towing the line will switch with them. - Those who follow the government's direction will ostracize people in both cases and doesn't matter because they are "right".
- hinkley 3y ago
  Chaos helps no one. It’s why even the democratic world has martial law. We may be wrong together but at least we are together. Having people running in three directions at once will get everyone killed in wartime or disaster. Once the avalanche starts it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
  - themaninthedark 3y ago
    I strongly disagree; People have agency, rocks and geological forces do not. >We may be wrong together but at least we are together. Is a great way to get everyone killed. We, in the west love to tout how our diversity and free thinking makes us better than those who do not have those values. What I saw were a bunch of countries that wished they could rule the populace in the same manner as China and Saudi Arabia. If we can not uphold our values when we face difficulties, then they are not values. You speak of martial law and preventing chaos. Envision the outcry and response if Trump had enacted such a policy in early February when members of the Democratic Party were encouraging people to gather in crowds to show support for Chinese New Year?
- numpad0 3y ago
  I'm not so sure. To me it seems people just could not stand masks to the point it actually created ongoing planetary scale mental health crisis. :shrug:.
- kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
  While there's plenty of blame to go around for the government's disinformation campaign, never forget that the entire cast of FauxNews personalities were decrying the initial cautionary stance as a politically motivated hoax and then turned around and changed their tune when it didn't turnout to be a dud like SARS 1.0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA
mistermann 3y ago
Is it acceptable to get mad at all suboptimal behaviors during that debacle, or only a subset of them? And if a subset: who decides, how do they decide, and who made the decision that this is the obligatory structure that we all must adopt without being asked for agreement?
OCASMv2 3y ago
> That even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things They weren't right during the pandemic though. From initially refusing to acknowledge the situation to lying and cohercing people into taking untested injections whose side effects on the population remain unknown, and of course censoring and character assassinating anyone who dared rise any objections against its conduct. And lets not forget actively avoiding finding out the origin of the virus because it wasn't politically convenient during an election year.
- wewtyflakes 3y ago
  This does not seem to disprove the statement of "That even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things".
  - mistermann 3y ago
    In this context, do you consider "even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things" more informative than misinformative?
  - OCASMv2 3y ago
    In the context of the pandemic response, without any specifics on what they got right I think it does.
    - wewtyflakes 3y ago
      To disprove "That even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things", you would have to prove that the government is wrong _all_ the time about important things. You just mentioned some things you think the government got wrong, but that is covered by the clause "That even though the government is wrong a lot" anyway. So it then just seems you wanted to soapbox about covid and governments, even if that isn't your intent.
      - OCASMv2 3y ago
hinkley 3y ago
The worst was a local meetup member who worked for a company that either made vaccines or worked in virology and still didn’t get his vaccinations. He had all these bullshit reasons he dressed up as science. He got screamed at by the oldest person in the group and stopped showing up. But goddamn. Vaccines don’t work on everyone who takes them, and they tend to be less effective in the elderly. Every one of those people are counting on the rest of us to not bring shit to their doorsteps.

lurking15 3y ago

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themaninthedark 3y ago

Here are my takeaways: - The government will lie to you because it is not prepared. - They will then spin on a dime with no consequences and all those who were towing the line will switch with them. - Those who follow the government's direction will ostracize people in both cases and doesn't matter because they are "right".

hinkley 3y ago
Chaos helps no one. It’s why even the democratic world has martial law. We may be wrong together but at least we are together. Having people running in three directions at once will get everyone killed in wartime or disaster. Once the avalanche starts it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
- themaninthedark 3y ago
  I strongly disagree; People have agency, rocks and geological forces do not. >We may be wrong together but at least we are together. Is a great way to get everyone killed. We, in the west love to tout how our diversity and free thinking makes us better than those who do not have those values. What I saw were a bunch of countries that wished they could rule the populace in the same manner as China and Saudi Arabia. If we can not uphold our values when we face difficulties, then they are not values. You speak of martial law and preventing chaos. Envision the outcry and response if Trump had enacted such a policy in early February when members of the Democratic Party were encouraging people to gather in crowds to show support for Chinese New Year?
numpad0 3y ago
I'm not so sure. To me it seems people just could not stand masks to the point it actually created ongoing planetary scale mental health crisis. :shrug:.
kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
While there's plenty of blame to go around for the government's disinformation campaign, never forget that the entire cast of FauxNews personalities were decrying the initial cautionary stance as a politically motivated hoax and then turned around and changed their tune when it didn't turnout to be a dud like SARS 1.0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA

mistermann 3y ago

Is it acceptable to get mad at all suboptimal behaviors during that debacle, or only a subset of them? And if a subset: who decides, how do they decide, and who made the decision that this is the obligatory structure that we all must adopt without being asked for agreement?

OCASMv2 3y ago

> That even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things They weren't right during the pandemic though. From initially refusing to acknowledge the situation to lying and cohercing people into taking untested injections whose side effects on the population remain unknown, and of course censoring and character assassinating anyone who dared rise any objections against its conduct. And lets not forget actively avoiding finding out the origin of the virus because it wasn't politically convenient during an election year.

wewtyflakes 3y ago
This does not seem to disprove the statement of "That even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things".
- mistermann 3y ago
  In this context, do you consider "even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things" more informative than misinformative?
- OCASMv2 3y ago
  In the context of the pandemic response, without any specifics on what they got right I think it does.
  - wewtyflakes 3y ago
    To disprove "That even though the government is wrong a lot, sometimes they're right about important things", you would have to prove that the government is wrong _all_ the time about important things. You just mentioned some things you think the government got wrong, but that is covered by the clause "That even though the government is wrong a lot" anyway. So it then just seems you wanted to soapbox about covid and governments, even if that isn't your intent.
    - OCASMv2 3y ago

hinkley 3y ago

The worst was a local meetup member who worked for a company that either made vaccines or worked in virology and still didn’t get his vaccinations. He had all these bullshit reasons he dressed up as science. He got screamed at by the oldest person in the group and stopped showing up. But goddamn. Vaccines don’t work on everyone who takes them, and they tend to be less effective in the elderly. Every one of those people are counting on the rest of us to not bring shit to their doorsteps.