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As hard as this story is to read, I remain convinced that we must be sovereign over our own lives, and should be legally entitled to end it if we so choose.

tetris11 3y ago
I agree, I just don't want this right to be tied to any perverse financial motivations: e.g. a nurse walking around an overwhelmed and understaffed hospital, calmly asking anyone if they want to an injection.
- Simulacra 3y ago
  Unfortunately, that's what's happening now. Angels of mercy, unfortunately, I think some of them are also murderers. You make a good point, but I don't think we will ever get to that laissez-faire point of dying. Assisted euthanasia should be a deliberate, purpose built process. Overseen by a doctor, and a guardian social worker, independent of the family and the state, to see at the persons wishes are carried out.
GeoAtreides 3y ago
I 100% agree. Bodily autonomy is, I think, one of the instincts (yeah, I think it's hard-coded: an instinct) of the most importance to a human being, along side survival, safety and reproduction. Taking bodily autonomy away from a person it's very close to murder, asymptotically so. It's infuriating seeing people clamoring for a curtail of this right, for the greater of good of course. That being said. >"In those years, I saw the Dutch euthanasia practice evolve from death being a last resort to death being a default option." That's absolutely not ok. I would go so far as forbid doctors introducing this option to a patient; I would favor leaflets and online campaigns and have a discussion only _after_ the patient brings it up. At least in Netherlands (and Canada) everyone is aware of being an option, so it's not like the patients will suffer without knowing it exists; but it might reduce some pressure on people that don't need to take it just yet.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  Taking away people's ability to kill themselves is very close to murdering them?
  - GeoAtreides 3y ago
    Taking away bodily autonomy is very close to killing a person, yes. People value their body autonomy so much, it's such a deeply-rooted instinct that messing with it can lead to death (either straight up death or personality/ego death). How often one hears, usually after sexual assault: "they were such a bright, chatty person before, now they're withdrawn, have panic attacks, PTSD, they hurt themselves etc." That's personality death and it comes from denying bodily autonomy.
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tetris11 3y ago

I agree, I just don't want this right to be tied to any perverse financial motivations: e.g. a nurse walking around an overwhelmed and understaffed hospital, calmly asking anyone if they want to an injection.

Simulacra 3y ago
Unfortunately, that's what's happening now. Angels of mercy, unfortunately, I think some of them are also murderers. You make a good point, but I don't think we will ever get to that laissez-faire point of dying. Assisted euthanasia should be a deliberate, purpose built process. Overseen by a doctor, and a guardian social worker, independent of the family and the state, to see at the persons wishes are carried out.

GeoAtreides 3y ago

I 100% agree. Bodily autonomy is, I think, one of the instincts (yeah, I think it's hard-coded: an instinct) of the most importance to a human being, along side survival, safety and reproduction. Taking bodily autonomy away from a person it's very close to murder, asymptotically so. It's infuriating seeing people clamoring for a curtail of this right, for the greater of good of course. That being said. >"In those years, I saw the Dutch euthanasia practice evolve from death being a last resort to death being a default option." That's absolutely not ok. I would go so far as forbid doctors introducing this option to a patient; I would favor leaflets and online campaigns and have a discussion only _after_ the patient brings it up. At least in Netherlands (and Canada) everyone is aware of being an option, so it's not like the patients will suffer without knowing it exists; but it might reduce some pressure on people that don't need to take it just yet.

josephcsible 3y ago
Taking away people's ability to kill themselves is very close to murdering them?
- GeoAtreides 3y ago
  Taking away bodily autonomy is very close to killing a person, yes. People value their body autonomy so much, it's such a deeply-rooted instinct that messing with it can lead to death (either straight up death or personality/ego death). How often one hears, usually after sexual assault: "they were such a bright, chatty person before, now they're withdrawn, have panic attacks, PTSD, they hurt themselves etc." That's personality death and it comes from denying bodily autonomy.
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