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> if you accidentally use the word "hack" [with] ChatGPT... Side note: ChatGPT is now completely useless for most creative tasks. I'm trying to use it, via Nov

by bambax 3y ago

> if you accidentally use the word "hack" [with] ChatGPT... Side note: ChatGPT is now completely useless for most creative tasks. I'm trying to use it, via NovelCrafter, to help flesh out a story where a minor character committed suicide. ChatGPT refuses to respond, mentioning "self harm" as a reason. The character in question killed himself before the story even begins (and for very good reasons, story-wise); it's not like one's asking about ways to commit suicide. This is insane, ridiculous, and different from what all other actors of the industry do, including Claude or Mistral. It seems OpenAI is trying to shoot itself in the foot and doing a pretty good job at it.

marpstar 3y ago
I’ve been frustrated by this, too. Trying to ask for ways to support a close family member who experienced sexual trauma. ChatGPT won’t touch the topic.
OOPMan 3y ago
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- serf 3y ago
  you wouldn't give out the same sort of advice when a compiler or linker failed to complete a given task, although one certainly could do the work manually. it's just fashionable to hate on AI, /s or not.
  - jpc0 3y ago
    Is it common for you to write the header file to say a BST and the compiler didn't rightfully throw an error? That's what you are asking the LLM to do, you are generating code not searching for an error condition. The parent comment is saying maybe as a writer, writing the actual story isn't such a bad thing... Just a different perspective, live your own life. If the story is good I'll enjoy it, who wrote it is for unions and activists to fight. I've got enough fights to fight.
- bambax 3y ago
  The alternative to ChatGPT isn't non-AI, it's Claude.
- drngdds 3y ago
  This is a really conservative view about what ways to make art are valid. Generative art is nothing new and it can be pretty awesome sometimes.
luma 3y ago
OpenAI is angling for enterprise users who have different notions about safety. Writing novels isn't the use case, powering customer service chatbots that will never ever ever say "just kill yourself" is.
- antonvs 3y ago
  My contrarian tendencies now have me thinking of scenarios where a customer service chatbot might need to say "just kill yourself". Perhaps the HR support line for OpenAI developers tasked with implementing the censorship system?
  - aksss 3y ago
    Canadian MAID support line?
  - fwn 3y ago
    You don't have to go that far. Depending on the topic, it's already very hard to use Gemini/ChatGPT in a corporate setting. Think: You're doing an FAQ for a child safety crisis/PA slide deck. It's funny how sometimes the quality of associate work drops as the topics make text generators less useful. The way forward for corporations is almost certainly either for very specific use cases or local/internal LLMs. Producers of these will probably be less afraid of being canceled by populists, hence introduce less censorship.
    - luma 3y ago
      Do you actually talk to enterprise users? Nobody I’ve spoken to has ever once complained about censorship. Everyone is far more worried about data governance and not getting sued. Maybe it’s just that zero people I talk to are making child safety crisis slide decks? Seems like an unusual use case for most businesses.
      - fwn 3y ago
        Your reference to data security is very valid, but why is that comment so provocative and upset? > Seems like an unusual use case for most businesses. You may not work in a public affairs consultancy. Companies do different things. Well drilling is also "an unusual use case for most companies". That does not make it any less important. If your tool tries to fiddle with the content of your statement, it's not a serious tool. No one would accept their spell check tool to have an opinion on the type of content it is correcting.
barfingclouds 3y ago
Darn I guess you’ll have to go back to living in the dark ages and actually write it yourself
- bambax 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39894775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39894775

by bambax 3y ago

marpstar 3y ago

I’ve been frustrated by this, too. Trying to ask for ways to support a close family member who experienced sexual trauma. ChatGPT won’t touch the topic.

OOPMan 3y ago

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serf 3y ago
you wouldn't give out the same sort of advice when a compiler or linker failed to complete a given task, although one certainly could do the work manually. it's just fashionable to hate on AI, /s or not.
- jpc0 3y ago
  Is it common for you to write the header file to say a BST and the compiler didn't rightfully throw an error? That's what you are asking the LLM to do, you are generating code not searching for an error condition. The parent comment is saying maybe as a writer, writing the actual story isn't such a bad thing... Just a different perspective, live your own life. If the story is good I'll enjoy it, who wrote it is for unions and activists to fight. I've got enough fights to fight.
bambax 3y ago
The alternative to ChatGPT isn't non-AI, it's Claude.
drngdds 3y ago
This is a really conservative view about what ways to make art are valid. Generative art is nothing new and it can be pretty awesome sometimes.

luma 3y ago

OpenAI is angling for enterprise users who have different notions about safety. Writing novels isn't the use case, powering customer service chatbots that will never ever ever say "just kill yourself" is.

antonvs 3y ago
My contrarian tendencies now have me thinking of scenarios where a customer service chatbot might need to say "just kill yourself". Perhaps the HR support line for OpenAI developers tasked with implementing the censorship system?
- aksss 3y ago
  Canadian MAID support line?
- fwn 3y ago
  You don't have to go that far. Depending on the topic, it's already very hard to use Gemini/ChatGPT in a corporate setting. Think: You're doing an FAQ for a child safety crisis/PA slide deck. It's funny how sometimes the quality of associate work drops as the topics make text generators less useful. The way forward for corporations is almost certainly either for very specific use cases or local/internal LLMs. Producers of these will probably be less afraid of being canceled by populists, hence introduce less censorship.
  - luma 3y ago
    Do you actually talk to enterprise users? Nobody I’ve spoken to has ever once complained about censorship. Everyone is far more worried about data governance and not getting sued. Maybe it’s just that zero people I talk to are making child safety crisis slide decks? Seems like an unusual use case for most businesses.
    - fwn 3y ago
      Your reference to data security is very valid, but why is that comment so provocative and upset? > Seems like an unusual use case for most businesses. You may not work in a public affairs consultancy. Companies do different things. Well drilling is also "an unusual use case for most companies". That does not make it any less important. If your tool tries to fiddle with the content of your statement, it's not a serious tool. No one would accept their spell check tool to have an opinion on the type of content it is correcting.

barfingclouds 3y ago

Darn I guess you’ll have to go back to living in the dark ages and actually write it yourself

bambax 3y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39894775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39894775