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I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEV

• jokethrowaway 3y ago
  It feels like you are describing fentanyl. You can do a lot of enjoyable things while high and you generally don't collapse to the ground when smoking weed. Cannabis is a tool, if you misuse it, you can waste your entire life - but it's heaps better than sugar or alchol, especially if you avoid smoking it (which destroys your lungs). Edibles or vapes are much better. If you use it well, it can be a good aid to relax and improve your quality of life - or maybe to endure a hard time in in your life. If it wasn't a hassle to buy it, I'd definitely vape some instead of drinking beer to relax.
  • Grimblewald 3y ago
    they could also be describing use of some of those synthetic 'weed' varieties that were floating around everywhere in the early 2000's which were just inert plant matter sprayed with some research chemical or another. Those had some pretty wild effects on folks.
  • Wytwwww 3y ago
    > better than sugar Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue. Also a lot depends on how you chose to consume cannabis if you're smoking it, it's no better than tobacco (besides that you're likely to do that way less frequently).
    • pizza234 3y ago
      >> better than sugar > Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue Yes, but addictiveness is the issue. In my personal experience, light drugs have comparatively low addictiveness (compared to "drugs-non-drugs" like nicotine and alcohol), while sugar (/junk food) has a much higher one. If I happen to consume more than usual, I find sugar (/junk food) really hard to cut, but not light drugs. Keep in mind that a vast majority of Americans are overweight or obese. Under the addictiveness angle, one can say that the majority of the American population has an addiction, and it's to junk food, more than light drugs.
      • Wytwwww 3y ago
        I think psychological dependence is a lot bigger concern for most people when talking about alcohol/weed or even sugar. > Under the addictiveness angle, one can say that the majority of the American population has an addiction That doesn't mean that junk food is inherently "addictive" and there are many other reasons for this.
• simonswords82 3y ago
  Don’t knock it until you try it. You might like it!
  • bingbingbing777 3y ago
    Why not say this about something like self-harm, they might like that too. Both seem to cause damage to the self
    • growse 3y ago
      Oxygen's a pretty potent carcinogen, yet I really enjoy breathing. Makes me feel alive.
      • jakupovic 3y ago
        100% of people who were breathing 150 years ago died, so your example holds up.
        • rad_gruchalski 3y ago
          Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate.
    • simonswords82 3y ago
      I was mostly being provocative. Reality is that OP seems to be quite narrow minded and has made some enormous assumptions about people who smoke cannabis. In very general terms, the world would be infinitely better off if people did not cast such wide nets on their assumptions.
    • jakupovic 3y ago
      Wow, the best exmple you could find is self-harm? How about rock-climbing that can also be very dangerous if not practiced safely?
    • jijijijij 3y ago
      It's true. Everything is literally the same, and nothing ever happens.
• Wytwwww 3y ago
  > and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy That's like deciding to never try beer after seeing some people getting blackout drunk. Of course, it's your choice and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but still a weird argument to make. A lot of things when taken to the extreme can lead to very negative outcomes, not exactly a good reason to penalize (I know you're not suggesting that) or judge the people capable of moderation.
  • jijijijij 3y ago
    > still a weird argument to make It's naive, not weird, which is to be expected by someone who never smoked. I think, the observation isn't even far off in many situations, especially with youth (who smoke and drink for peer pressure, too). Because of illegalization, there was a substantial incentive to breed extremely potent cannabis genetics, grown in tightly controlled and optimized indoor operations. Or even worse: Weed cut with synthetic cannabinoids. Because you get more bang for your bug, and in particular more bang for trafficked mass (same reason fentanyl is everywhere). There is nothing chill about your typical street dope. For a first time user, chances are they will have a bad time. Too many people do one or two puffs and find themselves already way too "high". As of now, smoking is really only enjoyable, if you have some tolerance, in my opinion. This will change now. We will see a huge variety of weed strains in people's hands. Not only because, obviously, people will exchange home grown produce (although still illegal), but also because medical cannabis access got a lot easier too now. Meaning you get clean, controlled, defined cannabis in pharmacies, if you find a doctor to $ign the prescription. There will be less pure flower, more leafy mixes, which I believe was common in the past. E.g. a high CBD, moderate/low THC breed will offer a much more enjoyable "on-boarding" experience, but it was nearly impossible to find on the illegal street market. The culture around weed will change. It will get less intense, but more casual, more chill, more fun. OP will see more people smoking cannabis the same way people enjoy a glass of wine.
  • antisthenes 3y ago
    > That's like deciding to never try beer after seeing some people getting blackout drunk. Out of all reasons to never try beer, this actually seems like a pretty good one? If my #1 reason would be seeing a drunk driver crash, then this would be a solid #2. I'm not one to go moralize other people's use of substances, but it's also weird for me to read your take on it. Those are very common and good reasons for people not to try substances.
• wulfeet 3y ago
  I too have never tried cannabis, and I too support legalisation. Not because of the effects it has on the consumer, but because the effects it has on the producer. It depends on where you are, but where I am - the UK - the producers are primarily enslaved. A fact that is rarely talked about. Recently there was a big drug bust. The headlines all described how many dogs were freed - less than twenty. But deep in the articles behind euphemistic language you could read that one and a half thousand enslaved people were also freed.
  • dandy23 3y ago
    Producers following the laws can not compete with illegal producers on price. So even if you make consumption legal, the illegal networks will remain and become even bigger as the market expands.
    • jijijijij 3y ago
      This presumes the market isn't satisfied already. I doubt the market will expand much. It hasn't been hard at all to get weed, before. Whoever wanted to smoke, got theirs. In Germany, you always had a lot of "deutsche Hecke" (cannabis grown in Germany) on the market. Lots of small operations. While still illegal, it isn't unethical and certainly doesn't involve slaves... While more or less impossible to have legal (non-medical) weed right this moment, I very much doubt cannabis grown outside Germany will be attractive much longer. Because it's ethically questionable, because it's been in someone's butt, because it's often cut with dangerous substances, because you can't trust its quality and because you don't want to get involved with street pushers. Technically, you will have a "black-market", but it won't be the ultra criminal gangsters running the show. It's gonna be a friend-of-a-friend who's growing more than they are allowed to, selling off the extra. There will be a questionable market for "doctors" writing prescriptions for medical weed now. A situation you find in many countries already. That's just the parasitic business you get with still restrictive legislation. Many people will go this route. Not because it's cheaper, but because getting weed this way is trusted, convenient and reliable. Medical weed costs about the same as high quality weed on the street before legalization. Prices will go down, margins will be smaller.
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• ddorian43 3y ago
  Canabis doesn't cause hallucionations. It is often a misconception. They were doing something else most probably.
  • npteljes 3y ago
    Cannabis can cause hallucinations! It can do so in at least two ways. One is a somewhat rare primary effect of the consumption, and the other is the triggering of a latent mental disorder. Source: https://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml https://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtm.... Do note that Erowid calls hallucinations "visuals".
    • ddorian43 3y ago
      I know it can also cause psychosis, but it's still rare.
    • AngryData 3y ago
      Closed eye visuals/hallucinations is pretty vague because certain levels of closed eye visuals/hallucinations can be seen by completely sober people without even trying and most people would not consider them a hallucination in the common usage of the word. Ive certainly never heard of from others or experienced any unusual closed eye visuals from cannabis outside of seeing it as a tv trope or government anti-drug ad. I could see it being more noticeable or slightly more active than normal while on cannabis certainly but it still seems inaccurate or perhaps deceptive to tell somebody that if they smoke weed they might have hallucinations, at least not without a much more thorough explanation on what kind of hallucination they are talking about.
      • npteljes 3y ago
        I agree, and I feel the same about the reverse too. Flat-out stating that cannabis doesn't cause hallucinations, or encouraging people to just try it because it they might find it fun (not OP, somewhere else in the thread) is deceptive, to say the least. TV and anti-drug campaigns really do a bad job in explaining what really happens to someone on drugs. This is why I specifically linked Erowid.
• selfselfgot 3y ago
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  • Vaslo 3y ago
    Wait, are you saying you can’t write negative things about the GOP?
    • DonHopkins 3y ago
      I think he's complaining that when you write things in support of the GOP's racist and bigoted policies, you get flagged, but he hasn't made the connection that it's the racism and bigotry and misogyny that gets you flagged, not the fact that it's the GOP that supports those policies. If he has a problem with the GOP's brand getting tarnished by their association with racism and bigotry, then he should take it up with the GOP themselves, not people who don't tolerate racism and bigotry and misogyny. https://www.salon.com/2024/04/01/stand-where-he-tells-you-to-stand-why-the-is-doubling-down-on-misogyny-in-2024/ https://www.salon.com/2024/04/01/stand-where-he-tells-you-to... >"Stand where he tells you to stand": Why the GOP is doubling down on misogyny in 2024. Republicans placate an evangelical base that's getting nastier with sexism — even if costs the party women's votes. >[...] It's not just the assault on abortion rights, which they can't seem to hold back from, despite the resounding unpopularity of the anti-choice stance. It's that the MAGA base is getting ever more vitriolic with its misogyny. Part of that is due to the more secular dirtbags of the Joe Rogan/Elon Musk variety, who have become such a loud part of the Republican coalition under Trump. But this escalation of boldly misogynist rhetoric is also coming from the evangelicals. Republicans can't win without keeping those people happy, since the Christian right is where the GOP's organizing power still mainly resides.
• hayst4ck 3y ago
  I've watched a fair number of weed smoker's lives (~10) and they fall into two distinct categories. One set smoke weed and then partake in creative, explorative, or otherwise effort filled pursuits. Generally I feel that weed has likely improved their lives. The other set smoke weed and consume... consume tv, consume video games, consume food, consume music. These people seem to fall into a slump that weed seems to participate in keeping them in. Weed lowers the bar to enjoy yourself and thus raises the bar for other activities. If weed and video games feels good, then why call up friends and go bowling? It's not addictive, but it does have a kind of gravity because it's an activity that participates in the economy of potential activities. For these people weed entertains them, at the cost of them becoming a more boring person.
  • temporarely 3y ago
    Insightful & accurate imo.
  • WHYLEE1991 3y ago
    I think we overstate how interesting people are in general. Maybe those people would've just been boring and consumed media in ways you don't seem to approve of sober otherwise?
    • The_Colonel 3y ago
      I think you miss subtlety in the post you're reacting to. Weed makes consumption more enjoyable, therefore you consume more than you'd consume without weed, at the opportunity cost of doing other things. Which in general makes you more boring. I've been around stoner friends a lot (for most of them it was a phase in life which they got out of before ~30) - no matter how boring / interesting they were before / after weed, during their weed days they were more boring than during their non-weed years. Weed makes you content just sitting at home while otherwise you'd rather seek some excitement outside.
      • WHYLEE1991 3y ago
        More so I just don't get why people need to please you or this guy with our interests? All sorts of peoples lives seem maybe not FUN to me because they don't have the same risk tolerance as me as an example but I don't think their lives are "boring". I think maybe they didn't spend as much time as me smoking PCP on traincars as a teenager! People might have other experiences than you lol! Maybe someone finds watching sitcoms stoned while knitting to be the most rewarding thing in the world? Maybe they think the things you're doing are boring? It's odd to judge what people find exciting in life.
• pizza234 3y ago
  > I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. This reaction is not representative of the general effects of cannabis smoking.
• jakupovic 3y ago
  Wow you need to step out of your parents basement and experience more of the world rather than made up "models" you play with. I'm sure you don't eat different foods or don't try different spices because of reasons. In any case people like you shouldn't be allowed to judge others and impose any rules on anyone but themselves.
  • trallnag 3y ago
    > people like you But other people are allowed to judge?
    • xtqv 3y ago
      It's not about simply "allowing" judgment; it's about the credibility of those passing judgment. Experience, education, and critical thinking are the pillars upon which valid judgments stand. Basing one's opinion heavily on one experience, viewed from the outside, is a demonstration of anchoring bias and egocentric bias respectively. Outside perspective cannot include what personal revelations or trauma processing is going on inside the head of the "apathetic" experiencer. It overlooks the diversity of experiences and potential reasons behind the observed behaviour, and is intellectually dishonest in avoiding the other cannabis consumption methods which points to a lack of depth in judgment. Indeed, a person with a strongly held opinion based on an anecdote, wrought with textbook cognitive biases, is the kind of person who would deny themselves the opportunity to see their cognitive bases in action because of their snap judgment. Should we value judgments made by this kind of person? What kind of person should impose rules on others?
      • jakupovic 3y ago
        Thank you for a much better explanation I was going for.
    • jakupovic 3y ago
      Difference being singular vs plural. If you told me: "you're ugly" or "you smell bad" I would have to evaluate myself, whereas judging a huge swath of people is not OK, my friend.
• itishappy 3y ago
  Good for you! That takes willpower. I'm also curious about your stance on less controversial drugs like coffee and sugar. (Sugar is surprisingly insidious!) > I enjoy being in full control of my senses Heh. I suspect you're a lot less in control than you think you are. It took me experiencing mushrooms and LSD to really open my eyes to the ridiculous amount of processing our minds do just outside of our awareness. I'm sure this could be explored without mind altering chemicals too, but few do.