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Personal anecdotal experience in a car != Facts as it pertains to this story. Semi drivers do that 220 miles (and then some), each and every day, on quiet inte

Personal anecdotal experience in a car != Facts as it pertains to this story. Semi drivers do that 220 miles (and then some), each and every day, on quiet interstates and havoc strewn city highways. And we’re also talking big rigs here with significantly longer stopping distances and far less maneuverability. And they have to deal with the vagaries of weather. A fully automated rig is no good to anyone if the software decides to not proceed with no driver to override it.

fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
My only point is that Tesla’s system is better than people might think from comments like the original one I responded to and has done things I’ve personally experienced that commenters on Hacker News told me were “impossible” to do with a vision-based system (slow from freeway speeds to a stop because of stopped traffic ahead). The shift in attitude towards Tesla here and elsewhere is really funny to me because it coincides more or less with the time period in which Tesla started to actually deliver the things they had promised years ago.
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- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  I'm not saying your experience is impossible. I'm saying that Tesla -- well, Musk -- has been talking for many years about "full self driving" and they still routinely fail at basic driving tasks. Sure, they probably succeed 99% of the time at a cement wall, or 99.9%, but that's not high enough for L4. The fact that after more than a decade of development, Teslas still have trouble identifying normal stationary obstacles in the car's path is a very bad sign. Sure, it's not outright impossible to solve this problem with a purely vision-based system -- but it IS much, much harder compared to fusing with other sensors.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
    Teslas don’t, as a rule, drive into stationary obstacles :) sure, there are highly publicized incidents like this but, also, there are plenty of single-car accidents where human drivers do this too.
    - TulliusCicero 3y ago
      They absolutely do try to, all the time. People just stop them, because again, Full Self-Driving isn't -- it's an L2 system that depends on people saving their Teslas from running into things. Every time a new FSD beta releases, people post a bunch of videos that include Teslas trying to run into things, and a bunch of Tesla defenders hand wave away every incident as inconsequential, because it's inconvenient to their narrative.
      - fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
        Obviously they're going to upload those videos: the videos that have FSD working as intended don't get the engagement.
        TulliusCicero 3y ago
        > a bunch of Tesla defenders hand wave away every incident as inconsequential Nailed it!

fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago

My only point is that Tesla’s system is better than people might think from comments like the original one I responded to and has done things I’ve personally experienced that commenters on Hacker News told me were “impossible” to do with a vision-based system (slow from freeway speeds to a stop because of stopped traffic ahead). The shift in attitude towards Tesla here and elsewhere is really funny to me because it coincides more or less with the time period in which Tesla started to actually deliver the things they had promised years ago.

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TulliusCicero 3y ago
I'm not saying your experience is impossible. I'm saying that Tesla -- well, Musk -- has been talking for many years about "full self driving" and they still routinely fail at basic driving tasks. Sure, they probably succeed 99% of the time at a cement wall, or 99.9%, but that's not high enough for L4. The fact that after more than a decade of development, Teslas still have trouble identifying normal stationary obstacles in the car's path is a very bad sign. Sure, it's not outright impossible to solve this problem with a purely vision-based system -- but it IS much, much harder compared to fusing with other sensors.
- fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
  Teslas don’t, as a rule, drive into stationary obstacles :) sure, there are highly publicized incidents like this but, also, there are plenty of single-car accidents where human drivers do this too.
  - TulliusCicero 3y ago
    They absolutely do try to, all the time. People just stop them, because again, Full Self-Driving isn't -- it's an L2 system that depends on people saving their Teslas from running into things. Every time a new FSD beta releases, people post a bunch of videos that include Teslas trying to run into things, and a bunch of Tesla defenders hand wave away every incident as inconsequential, because it's inconvenient to their narrative.
    - fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
      Obviously they're going to upload those videos: the videos that have FSD working as intended don't get the engagement.
      - TulliusCicero 3y ago
        > a bunch of Tesla defenders hand wave away every incident as inconsequential Nailed it!