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>there was a coordinated, significant, non-military response across several allies >significant ?

actionfromafar 3y ago
I wonder too. Allied stern words?
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
Very significant, Russia-linked donors had to increase donations to the Conservative Party https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-tories-are-still-receiving-funds-from-russia-linked-donors/ https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-tories-are-still-rec...
petesergeant 3y ago
Suspension of all high-level diplomatic contact UK/Russia, UK law changed to make it easier to confiscate Russian assets, 23 diplomats expelled from UK, 60 from the US + consulate closure, 33 from wider EU, 27 from other allies (in total ~150 constituting “the largest collective expulsion of Russian intelligence officers in history”), Russian banks sanctioned under the US CBW act (although Trump didn’t implement them), and personal sanctions against assets of GRU leaders. What would you have considered to be a significant and proportionate non-military response?
- neoromantique 3y ago
  Yet UK is one of the main destinations for Russian capital to this day. Sanctions were a joke prior to 2022 and even after 2022 they still are.
  - petesergeant 3y ago
    What are you suggesting a better response would have been?
    - neoromantique 3y ago
      I live 30 km away from a Belarussian border (so, for all intents and purposes Russian), so I am biased towards extreme measures, as Russia historically does not respond to anything else. However, after multiple UK citizens were harmed on UK soil calling that response "significant" anything is frankly a joke.
      - petesergeant 3y ago
        OK. What would a significant, proportionate, and non-military response have been?
        neoromantique 3y ago
        You said there was significant response, I have commented on that to say that response has been anything but. As I already said, personally I am afraid that we're beyond the point where any non-military response would be proportionate, but that is not what my initial comment was about.
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I wonder too. Allied stern words?

Very significant, Russia-linked donors had to increase donations to the Conservative Party https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-tories-are-still-receiving-funds-from-russia-linked-donors/ https://goodlawproject.org/revealed-the-tories-are-still-rec...

petesergeant 3y ago

Suspension of all high-level diplomatic contact UK/Russia, UK law changed to make it easier to confiscate Russian assets, 23 diplomats expelled from UK, 60 from the US + consulate closure, 33 from wider EU, 27 from other allies (in total ~150 constituting “the largest collective expulsion of Russian intelligence officers in history”), Russian banks sanctioned under the US CBW act (although Trump didn’t implement them), and personal sanctions against assets of GRU leaders. What would you have considered to be a significant and proportionate non-military response?

neoromantique 3y ago
Yet UK is one of the main destinations for Russian capital to this day. Sanctions were a joke prior to 2022 and even after 2022 they still are.
- petesergeant 3y ago
  What are you suggesting a better response would have been?
  - neoromantique 3y ago
    I live 30 km away from a Belarussian border (so, for all intents and purposes Russian), so I am biased towards extreme measures, as Russia historically does not respond to anything else. However, after multiple UK citizens were harmed on UK soil calling that response "significant" anything is frankly a joke.
    - petesergeant 3y ago
      OK. What would a significant, proportionate, and non-military response have been?
      - neoromantique 3y ago
        You said there was significant response, I have commented on that to say that response has been anything but. As I already said, personally I am afraid that we're beyond the point where any non-military response would be proportionate, but that is not what my initial comment was about.
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