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Seems naive. It's a life-threatening journey to the top, to the limits of endurance. Making rules about what you should or shouldn't do up there seems petty. A

Seems naive. It's a life-threatening journey to the top, to the limits of endurance. Making rules about what you should or shouldn't do up there seems petty. And of course there's no enforcement. Nobody up there to know what you did or didn't do. A fine? It can cost $100,000 to make the attempt. Who literally gives a shit about a fine? Even a thousand dollars, it's insignificant. Further, digestion ceases at some altitude. No poop. Do you fine them for that? "Sorry, my poop bags fell down a crevasse."

blinded 3y ago
Other mountains have sections where you can dispose of them (ie. Danali). As far as enforcement goes it looks like the Sherpas will help with that https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/mount-everest-poop-rules/ https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/moun... The idea is to keep it clean for the next people, if that makes it a little harder then seems like a fair trade to me. I do see your point though I'e seen videos and photos of the trash that is left up there and what is to say this will be any different.
gus_massa 3y ago
> It's a life-threatening journey to the top I agree, but if someones life depends of not charging a bag with pop, then that person should not be climbing. It's too dangerous for the person and whoevers try to help. Anectote 1: One of my friend tried to climb the Aconcagua with two friends and not enough experience. They get stuck in the middle, three days in a tent during a snow storm. They had to return down after that. All of them survived with all their fingers+toes. So it's a happy ending. Anectote 2: We went to an excustion to climb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uritorco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uritorco (only 2000m (6400ft), a piece of cake in comparison) There were a few buses, like 150 persons. Some people went without a bottle of water and with unconfortable shoes. They "climbed" 10m (30ft) until the asphalt road ended. All of them survived, but the total lack of preparation makes it more surprising.
- JoeAltmaier 3y ago
  Everest? By that measure, nobody should climb it ever. It's an unthinkable amount of effort, at the end with your strength at its lowest and no eating or drinking for the final days, nobody can do that with effort left over for anything. It's easy to make rules sitting behind a desk.
  - gus_massa 3y ago
    Anecdote 3: Once I went to teach a class at a town at 3000m (10000ft). I started talking at my normal speed, but after the first sentense I had no air. So the rest of the class I talked at half speed and took a deep breath between sentenses.

blinded 3y ago

Other mountains have sections where you can dispose of them (ie. Danali). As far as enforcement goes it looks like the Sherpas will help with that https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/mount-everest-poop-rules/ https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/moun... The idea is to keep it clean for the next people, if that makes it a little harder then seems like a fair trade to me. I do see your point though I'e seen videos and photos of the trash that is left up there and what is to say this will be any different.

gus_massa 3y ago

> It's a life-threatening journey to the top I agree, but if someones life depends of not charging a bag with pop, then that person should not be climbing. It's too dangerous for the person and whoevers try to help. Anectote 1: One of my friend tried to climb the Aconcagua with two friends and not enough experience. They get stuck in the middle, three days in a tent during a snow storm. They had to return down after that. All of them survived with all their fingers+toes. So it's a happy ending. Anectote 2: We went to an excustion to climb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uritorco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uritorco (only 2000m (6400ft), a piece of cake in comparison) There were a few buses, like 150 persons. Some people went without a bottle of water and with unconfortable shoes. They "climbed" 10m (30ft) until the asphalt road ended. All of them survived, but the total lack of preparation makes it more surprising.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Everest? By that measure, nobody should climb it ever. It's an unthinkable amount of effort, at the end with your strength at its lowest and no eating or drinking for the final days, nobody can do that with effort left over for anything. It's easy to make rules sitting behind a desk.
- gus_massa 3y ago
  Anecdote 3: Once I went to teach a class at a town at 3000m (10000ft). I started talking at my normal speed, but after the first sentense I had no air. So the rest of the class I talked at half speed and took a deep breath between sentenses.