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I can't believe this comment. Segregation and poll taxes were no big deal, right? Things were great for black people back when it was enshrined legal doctrine

by jbooth 14y ago

I can't believe this comment. Segregation and poll taxes were no big deal, right? Things were great for black people back when it was enshrined legal doctrine to treat them as a lower category of people. You want to know why black people vote for the same party every time? Because it's the alternative to your party.

gaius 14y ago
The world is not that simple. Bush had Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice, who did Bill Clinton have? Al Sharpton?
- jbooth 14y ago
  Clinton went on Arsenio Hall. He didn't need tokenism. If you want to claim there's no undercurrent of racism in standard Republican messaging, well, I can't prove it to you. Just know that most black people disagree with you. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/22/simpsons-mocks-fox-news-racist_n_786712.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/22/simpsons-mocks-fox-...
  - gaius 14y ago
    I don't know what that means, but the accomplishments of Powell and Rice stand on their own. It is ludicrous to deem them mere tokens. In fact if Bush was a dumb as the haters say, Condi was to all intents and purposes both the first black and the first female President...
    - jbooth 14y ago
      Their accomplishments do stand on their own. You were using them as tokens in the above post, and I called it out. A couple of public figures don't undo an entire culture and electoral strategy.
      - gaius 14y ago
        Not at all. Just demonstrating the falseness of the assertion that Republicans don't represent or respect blacks. Once again: The world is not as simple as that. Oh, and while I am here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to both the anti-slavery Republicans (GOP)
        jbooth 14y ago
        The 19th century, thanks. Pretty disingenuous. You already know the content of these links before clicking them, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_rights_(speech) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_rights_(speech) http://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ http://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ (just for fun) For what it's worth, I don't think President Bush the person was particularly racist. But he was definitely the #1 candidate among racists.
        davidw 14y ago
        You know a story probably wasn't HN material when you end up discussing racism and recent US presidents:-/
- specialist 14y ago
  "There were often a few token people who were allowed to stay on in town provisionally: usually, they offered an unusual trade or service that a small town relied on, and were thus granted an exception to the sundown rules." http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town.html http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town... Preface: I'm a white American, with plenty of WASP guilt. I forget the issue, but an African-American was in the news spewing the standard reprehensible winger talking points. An African-American coworker of mine said "There's always one", shaking his head in disgust. He probably let his guard down around me, because we got to know each other pretty well and he knew of my political activism (voting issues). I asked him to explain. He said no matter how stupid or extreme an issue, the white man could always find some black man to voice support. I'm guessing that "there's always one" is a cliche in the African-American world. Spike Lee's Boyz in the Hood, a fucking great movie, had scene depicting this phenomenon. So, in sum, when Clarence Thomas, Condi, or that US Rep Allen fruitcake says something retarded, it's still retarded, and I don't have to measure my criticism (of the idea) just because I'm white and the speaker is black.
moldbug 14y ago
You'll have to cast out that beam in your eye first. Cabrini-Green is no big deal? http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2010/10/end-of-cabrini-green.html http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2010/10/end-of-cabrini-gre... Your choice: grow up without a "right" to vote (not actually a right but a power, and of no direct value to you). Or grow up in Cabrini-Green. Oh, and my party: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism Democracy is working out pretty much as we always expected. Don't you think? You think your system of government is a success? Oh, please, I can't wait to hear this.

by jbooth 14y ago

gaius 14y ago

The world is not that simple. Bush had Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice, who did Bill Clinton have? Al Sharpton?

jbooth 14y ago
Clinton went on Arsenio Hall. He didn't need tokenism. If you want to claim there's no undercurrent of racism in standard Republican messaging, well, I can't prove it to you. Just know that most black people disagree with you. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/22/simpsons-mocks-fox-news-racist_n_786712.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/22/simpsons-mocks-fox-...
- gaius 14y ago
  I don't know what that means, but the accomplishments of Powell and Rice stand on their own. It is ludicrous to deem them mere tokens. In fact if Bush was a dumb as the haters say, Condi was to all intents and purposes both the first black and the first female President...
  - jbooth 14y ago
    Their accomplishments do stand on their own. You were using them as tokens in the above post, and I called it out. A couple of public figures don't undo an entire culture and electoral strategy.
    - gaius 14y ago
      Not at all. Just demonstrating the falseness of the assertion that Republicans don't represent or respect blacks. Once again: The world is not as simple as that. Oh, and while I am here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to both the anti-slavery Republicans (GOP)
      - jbooth 14y ago
        The 19th century, thanks. Pretty disingenuous. You already know the content of these links before clicking them, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_rights_(speech) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_rights_(speech) http://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ http://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/ (just for fun) For what it's worth, I don't think President Bush the person was particularly racist. But he was definitely the #1 candidate among racists.
        davidw 14y ago
        You know a story probably wasn't HN material when you end up discussing racism and recent US presidents:-/
specialist 14y ago
"There were often a few token people who were allowed to stay on in town provisionally: usually, they offered an unusual trade or service that a small town relied on, and were thus granted an exception to the sundown rules." http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town.html http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-to-out-sundown-town... Preface: I'm a white American, with plenty of WASP guilt. I forget the issue, but an African-American was in the news spewing the standard reprehensible winger talking points. An African-American coworker of mine said "There's always one", shaking his head in disgust. He probably let his guard down around me, because we got to know each other pretty well and he knew of my political activism (voting issues). I asked him to explain. He said no matter how stupid or extreme an issue, the white man could always find some black man to voice support. I'm guessing that "there's always one" is a cliche in the African-American world. Spike Lee's Boyz in the Hood, a fucking great movie, had scene depicting this phenomenon. So, in sum, when Clarence Thomas, Condi, or that US Rep Allen fruitcake says something retarded, it's still retarded, and I don't have to measure my criticism (of the idea) just because I'm white and the speaker is black.

moldbug 14y ago

You'll have to cast out that beam in your eye first. Cabrini-Green is no big deal? http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2010/10/end-of-cabrini-green.html http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2010/10/end-of-cabrini-gre... Your choice: grow up without a "right" to vote (not actually a right but a power, and of no direct value to you). Or grow up in Cabrini-Green. Oh, and my party: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism Democracy is working out pretty much as we always expected. Don't you think? You think your system of government is a success? Oh, please, I can't wait to hear this.